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Humayun makam in turkish system

PeppeOud - 12-23-2009 at 08:49 PM

Hi all.. Can someone of the turkish-oriented guys try to explain the seyir of this makam and the differences between hijaz and him??

adamgood - 12-26-2009 at 04:55 AM

Peppe,

Hicaz - uses fa#, so lots of Rast taste starting at the 4th degree (re)

Hicaz Humayun - uses fa natural, therefore instead of using Rast, uses Buselik tastes from the 4th degree.

simply compare:
Humayun Pesrev from Veli Dede
http://www.adamgood.com/turkish_nota/piece.php?id=582&size=394

vs.

Hicaz Pesrev from Refik Fersan
http://www.adamgood.com/turkish_nota/piece.php?id=453&size=394

For Humayun, something common seems to be if you see the "b natural" this is a taste of Nisabur makam. This pops up in many different compositons in various makams (Cemil Bey's Ferahfeza Saz Semaisi in 2nd hane...must be borrowed from Humayun?)

Hmmm let's find some more details!

Are there modulations specific to Humayun? I don't know yet...

Adam

PeppeOud - 12-26-2009 at 07:23 AM

Thanks!

Now, what is Nisabur makam? I only know Nisaburek..
:D

adamgood - 12-29-2009 at 10:37 AM

Peppe,
I'm traveling so I don't have a good book with me to check. I hardly know anything about Nisabur other than...

The karar is B Natural:

(a), B, C#, D, E, F

I don't know beyond F what it does...well I know i have a piece at home, I'll check after the New Year.

Don't worry, it's not a very common makam, I guess older and out of style and you won't find too too many pieces for examples. But it is nice to at least realize it sits in some pieces and is available to you for some interesting cesni.

Adam