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Enharmonic modulations

Danielo - 5-12-2011 at 05:55 AM

Hi,

is it acceptable to perform enharmonic modulations like, for instance, moving from Hijaz to Saba on the same tonic while identifying the F sharp of Hijaz with the G flat of Saba ?

Of course these notes are not exactly at the same pitch but the same could be said for the third degree of Rast and the tonic of Sikah, and, nevertheless, in the latter case this is a pretty common modulation.

thanks !

Dan

Brian Prunka - 5-12-2011 at 12:45 PM

It's possible to modulate between hijaz and saba, but I don't think you can use the Gb/F# to do it.

From saba to hijaz, I would probably use the lower C to modulate. From hijaz to saba is more challenging, I would probably modulate to bayati first. (using G as a pivot).

But I'm no expert, so take that with several grains of salt.


myeyes2020 - 5-12-2011 at 01:12 PM

you can re-emphazie the tonic D of Hijaz and then proceed to Saba. You can also recognize that the decending scale of Hijaz-D is Nahawand-G. Like oudist said, you can develop the upper part of the scale and use A as a pivot point and descend with Saba using "G flat." Once you're on Maqam Saba, you can also eploit that this maqam has a chord Hijaz-F as one of it secondary chords.

spartan - 5-12-2011 at 01:35 PM

a famous ealry 20thcentury greek composer named Panayiotis Toundas have 3-4 songs that modulates from hijaz to Sabah.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_Ik-39c6E&feature=related

on the next beautiful song the begining is hijaz then a litte Awj and back to Sabah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Ptktde7cg


and one more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL9oi36Q1fY

Marina - 5-13-2011 at 09:45 AM

:applause:

Danielo - 5-13-2011 at 11:54 AM

Thanks everyone, there's always something new to learn about modulations... it's a difficult art !