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Makam Defining..

idoromano - 2-28-2012 at 10:03 AM

Hallo members...
I have some scale in mind that i would like to transform into a makam system, so i wanted to know if there's any makam called like that in the turkish makam system.
simply its a blend of "saba zamzam" (from arab maqamat) makam and kurdi makam
the main makam is kurdi but the conclusion of the makam ends with a hicaz on the fourth degree...
Example:


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Plum_Pasha - 2-28-2012 at 10:30 AM

Saba Zemzeme is a fairly rare makam in Turkey, but I think it is legitimate within that makam to play normal Kürdi as an internal modulation, so I would suggest simply calling it Saba Zemzeme.

idoromano - 2-28-2012 at 01:51 PM

yes.. i know.. in turkey there isn't such makam, and i ment to do mainly a kurdi makam and the modulation will be hicaz tetrachord on neva (4th degree)

Brian Prunka - 2-29-2012 at 06:56 AM

This seems more like a "shuri zamzam" if I can make up a name.

Shuri is Bayyati + Hijaz, you have Kurd + Hijaz.

adamgood - 2-29-2012 at 10:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by idoromano  
yes.. i know.. in turkey there isn't such makam, and i ment to do mainly a kurdi makam and the modulation will be hicaz tetrachord on neva (4th degree)


Some Saba Zemzeme through history from "Turkish" composers, have a look:

http://www.neyzen.com/saba_zemzeme.htm

http://www.semazen-doc.com/dosyalar/ayinnotalar/31_sabazemzeme.zip

Also this is the same cesni we find within Sevkefza and Sevkutarab methinks?

I'm interested to see how you get to hicaz on Neva as karar, got any sound samples or melodies to share?

idoromano - 3-1-2012 at 02:24 AM

i was all wrong, i messed it all up.. saba has the hicaz on the 3rd degree, and i ment on the 4th degree....
just look at the images i uploaded at the first post..

idoromano - 3-1-2012 at 02:58 AM

you can see it as nikriz on cargah (3rd degree) it would be even more precise..

Brian Prunka - 3-1-2012 at 06:17 AM

What you've written looks like shuri (karcigar), but with kurd for the second degree instead of sikah.

http://www.neyzen.com/karcigar.htm