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Read sheet music during seminar LMW

sylvainbd - 7-14-2012 at 11:07 AM

Hi oud lovers

I saw some videos of seminars on youtube ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dl6x42T-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOuaMGEtKM

... I am not sur but apparently every students read scores !

I wonder if it is very advisable to read partition to participate in seminars of labyrinth musical workshop.

It is not too difficult to follow lessons without reading ?!

Best regard

fernandraynaud - 7-14-2012 at 09:05 PM

Du cote Anglais-Americain le mot partition ne signifie rien de musical. On dit "sheet music" ou "a score". On dit "can you read music?"

You wonder if it's essential to be able to read music to follow such a seminar?

sylvainbd - 7-15-2012 at 01:12 AM

Merci Fernandraynaud pour ces conseils de traduction !
Je remet à jour mon topic ...

...Exactly ! Since i play music , i always searched to increase my level in listening... sometimes with a recorder ;)

Somebody know if the use of written scores is essential to a seminar with Yurdal Tokcan ?

Jason - 7-15-2012 at 08:33 AM

What is the large rebab/lyra instrument he's playing towards the end?

spartan - 7-15-2012 at 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sylud  
Hi oud lovers

I saw some videos of seminars on youtube ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7dl6x42T-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hOuaMGEtKM

... I am not sur but apparently every students read scores !

I wonder if it is very advisable to read partition to participate in seminars of labyrinth musical workshop.

It is not too difficult to follow lessons without reading ?!

Best regard


Yes. In the Labyrinth seminars they use music scores/sheets and they use the turkish system not the european/arabic

farukturunz - 7-16-2012 at 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Jason  
What is the large rebab/lyra instrument he's playing towards the end?


Do you mean this instrument?

http://www.spikefiddle.com/instrumentsframe.htm

Ahmed - 7-16-2012 at 01:28 PM

Re-bonjour Sylud

Yes indeed, it does seem necessary from what I can see, maybe someone else can clarify.

And as Spartan mentioned, the Turkish musical notation method is different from the European and Arabic, for a start the notes are raised by a 4th so a C (Do) becomes a F (Fa), a A (La) becomes a D (Re), and so on on as Yurdal Tokcan explains in this nice video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7vI8mvUk9Q

So in my case I see that I will not only have to get used to a new tuning, but also a different type of musical notation!!

Well it's all part of the fun :)

Ahmed

stos - 7-16-2012 at 01:39 PM

hello!

--> spartan

hmmm... I don't read music at all (except by counting the lines...) also , do you think it is a real issue for Yurdal's seminar?

thanks

reminore - 7-16-2012 at 03:43 PM

c'est le meme mot en grec - partitura...partition - probably from the italian.

i think i responded to a query of ahmed's regarding ud tuning and the seminars already...i can add that when i was at xoudetsi last year i didn't read 'partitions'...i've always depended on being a quick learner and having a good ear for nuance in makam - unfortunately i have no western music theory at all, something i've always felt has been a plus in terms of the study of makam, as i am not trying to constantly look for cognates on the staff when moving from supurde to bolahenk so to speak...

participating in the seminar has changed all that because i realized the necessity of reading for multiple long pieces - too much for the mnemonic technique in too short a time -if you catch my drift. 6 days, and 5 or 6 pieces of music to be performed at an open concert the last night. there is not an atmosphere of pressure, but you need to keep your teslims and hanes in a row! by the end of the week i was comfortable remembering and playing only half the material...faruk t. remembers i'm sure (faruk agabey - selam, ben kosta, beni hatiliyor musun?) the piece of advice mentioned before was to bring a good recording device that you can refer back to later in the day for study (which is when not being able to read music is a liability)...imagine, playing hard for 3 hours, having some lunch at one of three small tavernas in the village, the locusts are so loud you almost deafened by them...the heat, and then you want to sit and study what you just learned that a.m...

the lesson learned is now i read scores, albeit slowly - but faster all the time.


spartan - 7-16-2012 at 10:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by stos  
hello!

--> spartan

hmmm... I don't read music at all (except by counting the lines...) also , do you think it is a real issue for Yurdal's seminar?

thanks


Hello stos
I think it could be a serious problem, UNLESS you have a very good ear and you can play directly what you hear.

They play several samais and other classical pieces that 's hard to remember . But that was the old way.

On the other hand Yordal's seminar is also based on technique, so at this part I think you can follow without problem.