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ALI UFKI FULL BOOK

Jono Oud N.Z - 3-18-2013 at 06:53 PM

I recently got an old copy of the Ali Ufki book second hand from Turkey.
It was in very bad condition and falling apart.

I got it printed and spiral bound and scanned,
The book has no copyright and is out of print and hard to find.

Here is the whole book:

http://www.4shared.com/rar/4wuYqrPG/ALI_UFKI_BOOK.html

The notation is in the bass clef and written from to right to left.

I was wondering if some interested people could help me translate some of the titles, composers and rhythms.

The pieces are grouped by maqam; Huseyni Fasil, Segah Fasil etc.

Here is the first piece in modern notation.

This amazing old repertoire deserves to be more well known

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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wojciech_Bobowski)

danyel - 3-19-2013 at 11:04 AM

Hello Jonathan,

great, everybody should have that. I bought it many years ago in Istanbul.
BTW, it's not bass clef, it’s an arabic jim=g i.e. a g-clef, but, as in French music of the time quite commonly, on the lowest staff-line. This is Ufuqī’s authograph. The titles specify the maqam, usul, composer, form. Under the music are lyrics, if it is a vocal piece.

Best regards
danyel

Jono Oud N.Z - 3-19-2013 at 01:28 PM

Hey.:)

Thanks!!.
Very helpful to know.

Someone on YouTube said it was in 'C' clef.
I was unsure, I just figured out how to write it in Arabic keys, (Rast=C).

I noticed Bezmara play this repertoire in these keys too, Rast=C, Huseyni=D, etc.

Do you happen to know if there is a Saba Pesrev by Papa (Papa Ferruh) in the book?.

I still need to learn to read Arabic / Ottoman script and need some help with the Rhythms and Composers.


danyel - 3-20-2013 at 01:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Jono Oud N.Z  
Hey.:)

Thanks!!.
Very helpful to know.

Someone on YouTube said it was in 'C' clef.
I was unsure, I just figured out how to write it in Arabic keys, (Rast=C).

I noticed Bezmara play this repertoire in these keys too, Rast=C, Huseyni=D, etc.

Do you happen to know if there is a Saba Pesrev by Papa (Papa Ferruh) in the book?.

I still need to learn to read Arabic / Ottoman script and need some help with the Rhythms and Composers.



if rāst is C, husseynī is A. Usually ottoman music is based on the mansūr akkord, i.e. rāst=sol G.
Bezmāra is a variety show, not a think tank.

There is a fasl-i sabā but no peshrev by "papa", I understand he was a contemporary of Kantemīrzāde?

BTW, everybody says "Ufki" but according to Fuat Sezgin, a man with incomparable experience, it should be vocalised: Ufuqī.


best regards
danyel


Jack_Campin - 3-20-2013 at 04:26 AM

I have tried several times to get registered on that site. Doesn't work with my browser. I don't think I've ever going to get at it.

Can somebody put this somewhere else? Box.net works for me.

Jono Oud N.Z - 3-20-2013 at 11:46 AM

Sure:)

Here it is.

https://www.box.com/s/zvp0id4gwz8tzfh3ct3k


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if rāst is C, husseynī is A. Usually ottoman music is based on the mansūr akkord, i.e. rāst=sol G. Bezmāra is a variety show, not a think tank. There is a fasl-i sabā but no peshrev by "papa", I understand he was a contemporary of Kantemīrzāde? BTW, everybody says "Ufki" but according to Fuat Sezgin, a man with incomparable experience, it should be vocalised: Ufuqī.


Thank you Danyel, much appreciated.
Ufuqī is much better.
Sorry, I meant maqam Huseyni not the note huseyni.

The reason I asked about the 'Papa' piece was because I have a Bashraf by him, but it seems to have been modernised, I was hoping to find another source.

What do you think of Ensemble Al Kindi's 'Ottoman Perfumes' album?

I am getting the hang of the Ali Ufki notation.
I have found the different maqamat and found many of the pieces that are also in the Cantemir book.
The santur embellishments are noticeable, very rhythmic.

Yesterday I tried playing a few pieces straight from the book.
Getting used to it, reading right to left seems like I am using a 'new' part of my brain' LOL.

I am working on my Arabic (script) and also Byzantine notation.
(I also have many Ottoman pieces in Byzantine notation).

Jono Oud N.Z - 3-20-2013 at 04:42 PM

Quote:

I am getting the hang of the Ali Ufki notation.


Sorry, Ali Ufuqī.

Jack_Campin - 3-20-2013 at 05:23 PM

Thanks a lot!

Boy that is a tough system to get used to.

Jono Oud N.Z - 3-20-2013 at 05:47 PM

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Boy that is a tough system to get used to.


For sure.

I will keep working on transposing pieces from it.
I have a couple half-finished and will upload soon.


urus - 3-21-2013 at 02:21 AM

:bowdown:
shokran

spartan - 3-26-2013 at 04:46 AM

even if its hard for most of us this is one of the most important music ressources concerning this kind of music.

By the way which language is used in this book? I guess the arabic lettering is a common writing for Ottoman, Persian and Arab litterature of that time.

The composer called Papaz means simply Priest in Greek. It might be the same person with the Ferruh Papaz, or Ruhban. I guess its from the 17th century.