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Bashraf Sipahr (Demetrie Cantemir)

Jono Oud N.Z - 9-8-2013 at 07:36 PM

Here is the piece in two versions:

The first is transposed from: Judetz,Eugenia Popescu, Prince Dimitrie Cantemir, Theorist and Composer of Turkish Music, (Istanbul, Pan Yayincilik, 1999), p. 137-138.

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The second is the Bezmara arrangement:

[file]27797[/file]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyAEstnBpM&list=PL566086EBBBED1...

Jono Oud N.Z - 9-8-2013 at 11:08 PM

Made a couple of corrections.


[file]27799[/file] [file]27801[/file]

By the way, the Owen Wright transcription of this piece is unusual.
Some of the repeats are in odd places and he wrote it in 16/16.
Quite awkward to read for players, hence preferring the Popescu Judetz version.
I was starting to rewrite it in 16/8 then realised that Popescu Judetz' transcription was in 16/8, and that the repeats made more sense.
He also wrote that Popescu Judetz wrote the piece in 16/4 where is is in 16/8.

Wright, Owen, Demetrius Cantemir: The Collection of Notations, Part 1, Text, (London, School of Oriental and African and Studies, 1992), p. 696-697.

Aside from this piece, the other Wright transcriptions, and all of his work is exceptional and highly valuable.

Jono Oud N.Z - 9-9-2013 at 02:20 PM

Just remembered there is a really nice version of the piece on this album too, track 13.

http://www.outhere-music.com/en/albums/constantinople-1453-entre-or...

spyros mesogeia - 9-9-2013 at 02:59 PM

So wichone is the right one my dear friend,Please post the one that is the good one.
I am a little comfused,and wich video is the one according to the partiture that you mentioned before.
Very interesting this post Jono
Peace
Spyros

Jono Oud N.Z - 9-9-2013 at 05:53 PM

Hey:).

This is the Cantemir original (transposed from Popescu Judetz):

[file]27835[/file]

This is the Bezmara arrangement from the video:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFyAEstnBpM

(I made a couple of corrections, I think all is fixed now).



It is interesting to compare the two, Bezmara, with their version, have tried to make the piece more coherent and shorter.

Bezmara have lowered the awj pitch to ajam (or tik ajam) and have changed / not played some of the repeats.
The Cantemir original employs the old tuning of the hijaz/uzzal jins with the neutral second and the major third (like Persian music).
In this piece: huseyni (a), awj (bd), shanaz (c#) and muhayyer (d).




majnuunNavid - 9-9-2013 at 08:39 PM

Thanks for posting these, they are invaluable.