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chaldo - 6-18-2014 at 05:19 PM

decapitation...in the name of their god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgGhSN9S4U0

ALAMI - 6-19-2014 at 02:16 AM


This is the Saudi KISS band, they smash ouds at the end of their concerts.
RockN'Roll meeting Angry Beards...
Bad music and very bad times for the civilization(s) that invented oud and Makams.


jdowning - 6-19-2014 at 04:14 AM

Just add 'em to the list! Rock drummer Keith Moon sets a high standard!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_destruction

At least the oud almost got the physical advantage of that fool trying to smash it!

Lysander - 6-19-2014 at 05:27 AM

What is the point of this?

bulerias1981 - 6-19-2014 at 06:16 AM

Some very conservative people believe that music instruments, and other things are distractions from God. And anything that is a distraction is haram, or sacrilegious. So this is clearly them demonstrating that they believe these items to be bad, therefore they will destroy them in order for them to keep what is sacred and holy.

In Leo The African, a novel by Amin Maalouf, he describes the times and the climate during the Al-Andalus period. And says that most of the people preferred the sound of the lute (oud) rather than the azaan (call for prayer). And they even grew a taste for wine (which is haram and forbidden) while more conservative muslims across the sea in Morocco we're observing and disapproved, thus sparking conflict between the more conservative and more liberal muslims.

Obviously, I think destroying music instruments is stupid, but theres a lot of things people believe in general I don't agree with.

hussamd - 6-19-2014 at 11:58 AM

I remember Deep purple's Richie Blackmore smashing his guitar at the end of the concert. I did not get that either.

As a devout Muslim and a musician I do not get all these extremists groups and views. :shrug:

jdowning - 6-21-2014 at 04:46 PM

Interesting that musical instrument destruction in the name of religious belief is not just a modern day phenomenon.

17th C German scholar, musician and composer Michael Praetorius in his introduction to volume 2 of his encyclopaedia of music (Syntagma Musicum) published in 1619 was less than complementary about music of the Ottoman Empire under Sultan Suleiman 1 (the Magnificent) that he considered to be 'wretched' and 'barbaric' (although Praetorius was born after the death of Suleiman so had no first hand knowledge of the situation).
As an example of his perceived inferiority of Ottoman music he relates a tale about the gift of a pipe organ and accompanying musicians presented to Suleiman from friend and ally king Francis 1 of France. The organ and its performed music were so well received that people flocked to hear the delightful music. In the opinion of Praetorius, the Sultan - fearful that the people would become 'civilised' - had the organ destroyed and the musicians sent back to France (hopefully still in one piece!).

Given that the Ottoman court under Suleiman followed the dictates of Islam, wine drinking and female dancers/singers were banned (the equivalent to 'wine, women and song' of Western cultures) and musical instruments decorated with gold and precious stones were destroyed. Not surprising, therefore, that the French pipe organ - no doubt also adorned with costly decorative features - that posed such an amusing popular diversion for the general population was to follow suite.

More details and discussion posted here:

http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=12283#pid83...