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Nationalist sentiment on oud origin

Don Z - 12-30-2014 at 08:09 AM

I have some videos posted on another social media site. I was just "corrected" by someone who took offense to me using the term "Arabic " in one of my posts. This person had some issues with the true origin of the oud . I don't know the true origin so only responded politely.
Do you all encounter friction on this? I've never heard anyone claim ultimate responsibility for the ouds creation.

Lol I don't want to cause any trouble!

Jody Stecher - 12-30-2014 at 09:45 AM

If one can tolerate the acrimony it may be possible to win an argument about the Arabic origins of the oud and also the word Oud, Aoud, etc. But never ever, whatever your opinion, begin or enter an argument about the origin of lahmedjun. :-)

SamirCanada - 12-30-2014 at 10:41 AM

My dear Jody, the lahmeb'3ajin, is Arabic for "meat on dough"... lahmedjun is just an Armenian way of butchering the word.

On this topic there is no debate there either ;)

what's next Hummus is Israeli?

Don Z - 12-30-2014 at 11:38 AM

So this person tells me oud was originally spelled "roud."

Jody Stecher - 12-30-2014 at 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Z  
So this person tells me oud was originally spelled "roud."


And where did this alleged roud originate? Venezuela? Finland perhaps?

Lysander - 12-30-2014 at 03:13 PM

If you're arguing with anyone on a social media site [esp FB], I'd just quit the thread and forget the whole thing.

majnuunNavid - 12-30-2014 at 04:40 PM

I've heard a bunch of origin theories about the Oud, and all of them are doubtful. Most refer to a Persian origin.

Undoubtedly, there was probably never ONE single instrument that everyone played that was known by one name... Barbat, Roud, Oud...

Okay, who cares if the Oud originated in Persia, it's barely used there even today... for all intensive purposes Arabs really created it.

I see this in comments sections on Youtube music videos all the time. There are pages filled with nationalist diarrhea commentary. Better to just ignore all of it.

Don Z - 12-30-2014 at 09:05 PM

Oh I agree completely. Im not interested in a vitriolic debate about what cou try may or may not have have done any pa r ticular thing. I was just surpised to get called out like I was. Especially when I hadnt mentioned anything about the ouds origins. Oh well.

SamirCanada - 12-31-2014 at 06:02 AM

This kind of garbage often come from people who don't play or know anything about the Oud.

The oud after all is older than any countries and older than many civilisations. So claiming any kind of nationalistic sentiment to it is quite immature and most likely by a complexed individual.

Anyhow today, the oud has many nationalities and so that's why it exists under so many different forms from Turkish to Iraqi and the barbat. its what makes it beautiful.

spyblaster - 12-31-2014 at 10:21 AM

This is actually a good thing in my opinion. several nations treat this instrument as a native and national instrument. This is why the oud is more famous and developed than many other oriental instruments. This is also the reason of governmental support in many countries. so what the hell? let everyone consider it as their national instrument.

Masel - 12-31-2014 at 11:55 AM

tough i would never call hummus israeli it is interesting to tell that in hebrew the plant is called himtza حمصة חמצה, with the same letters as hummus.


hussamd - 12-31-2014 at 12:03 PM

Music is global and should be appreciated by all and contributed to by all.

I do not get offended with this nonsense, but any one is entitled to their opinions.

Rock on :airguitar:

Happy new year to all.

Hussam

Don Z - 12-31-2014 at 04:44 PM

I'm with you ! I don't get offended either. Happy new year!

BRAINOUD974 - 12-31-2014 at 04:51 PM

Hi all,
I will simply say, the oud is there and we are all gathered in this forum because we love it, regardless of it's origin. Happy new year.

Lysander - 12-31-2014 at 06:19 PM

Happy new year, everyone!

mavrothis - 12-31-2014 at 10:40 PM

Happy new year! I feel lucky already, since I brought in the new year playing oud. :)

We should probably spend more time thinking about where the oud is going rather than where it came from...right?

:)

Enjoy!

mav

Don Z - 1-1-2015 at 06:46 AM

Indeed!!