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Paintings 1600's

rootsguitar - 11-16-2015 at 04:47 PM

I managed to get back to this world of ouds sooner than I expected

hope some enjoy these uploads of paintings...they are from

Persian Painting
Five Royal Safavid Manuscripts of the Sixteenth Century
Stuart Cary Welch 1976


Barbad, the Concealed Musician

The enterprising and gifted musician Barbad was nevertheless unknown at the court of Shah Khusraw Parviz, because Sarkad, the Shah's leading singer, had successfully prevented the auditions of fresh talent....


Barbad hid in a tree where a royal picnic was planned...he successfully shared his music & was gifted with treasures




Dream big good oudists!


two more...the tales of which are recounted in the book

all three attributed to artist Mirza ' Ali




---wishing best luck with your practice ideas & motivation
:cool:



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rootsguitar - 11-16-2015 at 04:53 PM



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hans - 11-17-2015 at 08:50 AM

very nice!

rootsguitar - 11-18-2015 at 06:02 PM

Rt on, Thanks Hans...


The concealed musician motif becomes even more interesting if one compares it to a work by Hieronymus Bosch...created 1490-1500(?)

is the concealed image in the tree a reference to this Classic Persian theme? ( Taken from the epic poem Shahnameh)

this video short takes a closer look at the detail with video effects added:


https://youtu.be/ki7QDsndIso



layering in a different Bosch Painting...

examined in this short video with similar effects:


https://youtu.be/gtAzZeobCkU



...seems to suggest a more intentional clue would have been revealed in the tree


though the " picnic " below and the lute make for interesting comparison.



I also am attaching an earlier painting of Barbad the Concealed Musician f circa 1300






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Jono Oud N.Z - 11-19-2015 at 02:21 PM

Beautiful:)
Thanks.
I love Persian miniatures (and Turkish, Arab etc).

Recently I found heaps of cool miniatures on Pinterest.
Type in Persian, Ottoman, Mughal miniatures etc. into the search and see what comes up:)
Will share some soon.


rootsguitar - 11-29-2015 at 02:15 PM

Thanks Jono!

cool stuff chkn that out. Also dug your sound cloud posts....most enjoyable.

Here's another detail from the aforementioned book...very recommended BTW.

" ...To the left, three outlandish musicians dressed in woolen garments shriek and clang. Presumably they are qalandars ..." (mystics )

"...whose presence lends wildness to the poet's gathering."

Plate 18

---kudos for any extra knowledge on historic qalandars!



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Jono Oud N.Z - 11-30-2015 at 01:30 PM

Hey:)

Thanks for the encouraging comments, much appreciated.

Here are all (I think) of my miniatures.
There are some other random ones, funny, lutes etc.

https://app.box.com/s/jyqy390ehs5n6phqofqjw88ai4tal0ws

Regarding the qalandars, There is a tale from the '1001 Nights' in five parts called 'The Porter and the Three Ladies of Baghdad', the first four parts are tales from the Qalandars (spelled Kalanders).
A great amusing tale!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/burt1k1/tale04.htm

Jody Stecher - 11-30-2015 at 04:18 PM

And a tale not lacking in lutes nor in obscure words nor lacking forsooth in very bad poetry.

Jono Oud N.Z - 11-30-2015 at 11:23 PM

True, LOL:D

rootsguitar - 12-1-2015 at 08:37 PM

-though does lend itself well to being read aloud!

It also seems that the sheepskin on the shoulders of the three qalandars is a detail worth noting.

see pg 43:

MITHRAIC SOCIETIES
From Brotherhood Ideal to Religion's Adversary
by
Abolala Soudavar

http://www.soudavar.com/MITHRAIC-SF2.pdf

rootsguitar - 12-1-2015 at 08:41 PM

" very name Sufi, which has often been said to derive from the Arabic word suf (wool),
may have originally alluded to those who wore the sheepskin on their shoulders. "


" Furthermore, as Iranian dervish orders drifted eastward, the sheepskin was adopted by
ascetics along the Silk Road all the way to China. We can see, for instance, a Chinese
lohan (Buddhist holy man) depicted in a 16th century Persian miniature with an alms
bowl in his hand and a sheepskin on his shoulders (Fig. 48).97 To emphasize his affinity
for Persian dervish orders, he is wearing under his sumptuous silk overcoat, the short and
open robe of qalandars (Fig. 49).98 "

cheers to the spread of ideas recorded in these archaic paintings!:cool:

rootsguitar - 12-4-2015 at 04:48 PM

relevance:


https://youtu.be/KxNxwOXNYn8


cool live sound:cool:

espec. around 5:29.

The groove gets quieter & sets up the second half of the piece

Jono Oud N.Z - 12-5-2015 at 11:56 AM

Cool group:applause:
Thanks:).


rootsguitar - 1-1-2016 at 10:51 AM



Hey I think so too Jono!

Hope they're still at it...live music is a cool adventure.:cool:

These next paintings are from mainland China...they led me to an interesting book on Japanese music which goes into some detail about the spread of lute ideas from the mainland there in pre 1600's era.

Also discusses other instruments & live music traditions

The Book is:

Nagauta, the heart of Kabuki Music
by William Malm
Greenwood Press
c 1963

Besides interesting facts on the musical forms & influence of the Shamisen ( Japanese fretless lute) music...it also had a detail on picks that I thought to share here.

I wonder if anyone has experimented with these kind of plectrums?

I will add the excerpts here along with the paintings that led me to the book..

at first I was mostly interested in the extra-sized tuning pegs that the Pipa & Shamisen share. The other details make this book a worthwhile read.



Also the book was recipient of the Monograph Prize of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences in the year 1959.

Still a cool reference in 2016!

---best

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rootsguitar - 1-1-2016 at 12:59 PM

Shamisen w Bachi

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&
Lessons of the Cat - Singing with Shamisen, woodblock print, 1841 | Utagawa Kuniyoshi

Jono Oud N.Z - 1-2-2016 at 11:27 AM

Hey:).

Quote:

Nagauta, the heart of Kabuki Music by William Malm Greenwood Press


Looks like a really interesting book.
Thanks!

The series 'Music of the Tang Court' by Laurence Picken (Cambridge University Press), is an amazing study and collections of transcriptions of Tang Dynasty court music that ended up in notation in Japan.

The music is not all pentatonic; mixolydian, lydian, dorian etc, similar in ways to some old Celtic music; pentatonic blended with heptatonic, the so called 'gapped scale'.
This music was imported from Central Asia during the flowering of culture in the Tang era.