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Plain string for D

stos - 10-20-2016 at 02:07 AM

Hello dear members!

I ordered a long time ago some plain oud strings (nylgut) because i wanted to try to have a plain d

Can somebody tell me if the diameter 97 could fit for tuning it to d on a 58.5 cm oud?

If not what brand/diameter coukd be a good idea?

My first idea to do it is economic: the d string is always the first strings that breaks or dies earlier and the plain strings last a lot of time! the other idea is that I like oldschool sound on oud and i thought it good make it

my question is : will i loose some volume?


Thanks a lot!

Brian Prunka - 10-20-2016 at 07:06 AM

.97mm Nylgut is approximately equivalent to nylon .042in or 1.07mm. At 585mm it would be ~2.8Kg tension.
That's fairly light, tension-wise, but that is typical with a plain d course. On a 585mm oud, it is going to be challenging to get much higher tensions with the plain d. You could go up to 1.0mm nylgut, that gets you to almost 3Kg tension.

PVF is much higher density, so you can get higher tensions. .91mm PVF gives you ~3.5Kg tension.

elreyrico - 10-20-2016 at 10:06 PM

Hi Sto

I had good results with a gut string pair tuned to D ("arabic" tuning) on a 58,5 oud for a gut diameter of 1.04 mm.

So a tension theoritical of about 3,3 kg

by the way, I have a spare (cc gg dd) set of gut strings that i can sell you if you are interested, i am located in france.


Regards

Eric



stos - 10-21-2016 at 11:40 AM

Thanks eric for the proposal but i already tried gut on oud and i was not happy with it, too fragile and too sensitive to humidity changes

Brian : thanks for the info, i think i will try the string then and see whats happening :cool:

this pvf that you are talking about, which brand are they? how is the sound? the price? (a lot of questions...)

thanks!

Brian Prunka - 10-21-2016 at 12:14 PM

Only Savarez has it in the higher gauges. I believe Pyramid's highest gauge is .87mm. Savarez goes up to .91 and .95mm. .87mm is OK but might be a bit light for a short scale oud.
Simon Shaheen tried the .91mm on one of Farid el Atrash's old ouds and liked it. It sounds good and works well with nylon c' and g or PVF.

I'll have to check on the price, but it's not too bad. Savarez makes them double-length so you only have to buy one string, I think it's about $6.

stos - 10-21-2016 at 12:47 PM

thanks brian!

i will try this string i have and if its not working i ll check the savarez!

Matthias - 10-22-2016 at 01:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by stos  
this pvf that you are talking about, which brand are they? how is the sound? the price? (a lot of questions...)

thanks!


find here some equivalent strings:

Nylgut/gut -- carbon/PVF/KF ( Savarez name ) -- Nylon
0,94-----------------0,81----------------------------------1,06
0,97-----------------0,84--------------------------------~ 1,1
1,0------------------0,86-----------------------------------not available
1,04---------------- 0,91
1,12---------------- 0,95 ( 1.5 m length )

You find the available diameters in my shop:
Nylgut by AQUILA
SAVAREZ Alliance ( KF )

Best regards
Matthias