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Isn't there Tahmila in Turkish music?

fernandoamartin - 1-25-2017 at 10:15 AM

One of my favorite forms in Arabic music is التحميلة (Tahmila or Tahmilah).
But it's hard to find good quality recordings online. And most of them are different players, playing the same piece over and over again.
Since Turks keep a very extensive repertoire in sheet music and recordings I search for it in Turkish music but I was not able to find.
I didn't find any mention of any Tahmila in Turkish music, nor any similar genre with a different name and not even a transliteration of the Arabic word in case a Turk decided to play in this form. :(

1 - Isn't there the genre Tahmila or a similar genre with another name in Turkish Music?

2 - Isn't there even a transliteration or translation of the word تحميلة that can be used in Turkish music?

Jack_Campin - 1-25-2017 at 05:15 PM

Google gives me a lot of links about baby health when I search on that word....

Brian Prunka - 1-25-2017 at 09:28 PM

no, there isn't, but there is a bashraf form that is different than the one usually found, which has some similarities.

fernandoamartin - 1-27-2017 at 06:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  
no, there isn't, but there is a bashraf form that is different than the one usually found, which has some similarities.


Can you tell me more about this kind of bashraf?
Can you list some examples?
I have lots of turkish scores but didn't notice if some bashraf (Peşrev) had similarities with Tahmila.

Thank you.

Brian Prunka - 1-27-2017 at 06:40 AM

This explains the Bashraf quite well:
http://www.amar-foundation.org/025-bashraf-nedhamuna/

More info about Tahmila:
http://www.amar-foundation.org/031-the-tahmila/

fernandoamartin - 1-27-2017 at 04:03 PM

Thank you very much Brian.
I didn't know about amar foundation and I never saw a site in English with such detailed information, so well explained about arabic music. It'll be very useful to me.
Thank you.

bulerias1981 - 1-27-2017 at 11:31 PM

I'm pretty sure Tahmila is a form from Egypt

fernandoamartin - 1-28-2017 at 01:52 AM

Call and response singing exists since Bible times.
It was a part of the Hebrew tradition since they became an independent nation and it seems it was very appreciated later on. (See Exodus 15:20, 21 and Psalm 136)
Exodus 15:20
Psalm136
I just wonder how it made it way into Arabic music but not into Ottoman's.

Brian Prunka - 1-28-2017 at 06:35 AM

Ottoman music had some call and response, just not improvisatory in the way it exists in the Arab Tahmila.

fernandoamartin - 2-3-2017 at 06:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  
Ottoman music had some call and response, just not improvisatory in the way it exists in the Arab Tahmila.


Oh yeah. Excuse me. I forgot that you said it just above.
Anyway in bashraf the changes from an instrument to another look more like an orchestration, they seem more discreet. In tahmila the call and answer sound more lively and clear. Well, that's my viewpoint.

After all, I found this discussion very interesting and clarifying.

Thanks for the answers.