Hello Spyros,
You are really lucky.
Please make photos for this Forum.
Bye: Koya
Hungarian dance tunes from Moldva
Koya - 7-6-2007 at 01:29 AM
Hi Folks,
There is some sheet music with main melodies and some accompaniment in the keynotes of this writing.spyros mesogeia - 7-6-2007 at 01:43 AM
ofcourse I will
Koya do you have any yahoo acount or hotmai or skype so we can chat directly sometimes?
I tried to send you an u2u but it doesn't work
Regards
spyrosmichoud - 7-6-2007 at 03:39 PM
Hi all!!
Arsene, Koya, where I can found and how much costs a good cobza?
Is it possible by internet?arsene - 7-6-2007 at 05:28 PM
hey michoud, try http://www.hora.ro ! not too expensive and decent build quality! ive got a hora cobza myself.spyros mesogeia - 7-6-2007 at 06:20 PM
Dear friend
I was a few weeks ago to Bucharest,I have visit a huge shop,and there was a cobza....unfortunatelly I can't say the same thing.
the distance between the strings and the fingerboard was huuuuge.
This instrument that I saw has a very beautifull aspect....but Ican't say anymore....
that is why I search to the old luthiers,and the old instruments,so I can see a goodone and make a new one with better matterials.
Regards to all
Spyrosarsene - 7-7-2007 at 02:09 AM
Maybe the quality varies from instrument to instrument? I saw and played two Hora cobza's and both were quite good. But I guess you need to see and
play it. I bought the one I had in my hands in the shop. I wouldn't be too sure to buy from internet...
By the way, Spyros, I'll be in Bucharest this August!spyros mesogeia - 7-7-2007 at 02:52 AM
Unfortunatelly I will be in Athens in August.
when exactly are you gonna go?
I will be in Bucharest again on the begining of the August to get my acts from the minister of Health,and than straight back home to get my new
ladies.....
a Yayli tambur and a carved baglama saz.....
I hope to catch you there
Regards
Spyrosarsene - 7-7-2007 at 05:50 AM
I don't know for sure yet, I'm leaving July 27 to Romania but I don't know if I'll go straight to Buc.
Mai am familie in Boteni, un satuc pe langa Pitesti, poate mai stau pe acolo Da
cine stie, poate ne intalnim si cantam la cobza/ud!spyros mesogeia - 7-7-2007 at 05:56 AM
Pai,putem sa vorbim mai devreme,eu te am trecut pe contactele mele la yahoo.
deci asa se poate sa vorbim si in direct inainte sa vii.
Oricum eu am un concert peste cateva zile in Tm cu un solist la laouta baroca.
daca intri pe yahoo mesenger o sa ma vezi.
Salutare
Spyrosspyros mesogeia - 7-7-2007 at 05:57 AM
sper pana atunci sa am si pea mea
My favourites
Koya - 7-15-2007 at 02:04 AM
Hi folks,
Some tracks from my favourite musicians.
István László Legedi on flute and Paun Vasile on cobza.
Enjoy it
Fiddle and dulcimer
Koya - 7-15-2007 at 02:21 AM
The insrtument you can hear in this recording is a dulcimer on an strap around the player's neck.
It's called cambal. It was the traditional wedding band in Moldva.
Chiriac Neculai on fiddle and Ion Spiridon on dulcimer.
They have already passed away.
Bye: Koya
I think if you will go to home...You have to go over my town in Szeged. The international road goes very near to my flat.
I would like invite you to have a cup of drink.
I sent a U2U you with my telephone number.
Koyaspyros mesogeia - 7-19-2007 at 02:54 AM
HELLO KOYA
My friend I will go by airplane
but ofcourse In September I will be back in Timisoara,
It will be my pleasure to see you.
I have your skype contact adress
we will keep in touch
I don't know why,I can't respond or send anything by U2U mesages
Regards
Spyrosspyros mesogeia - 7-19-2007 at 02:57 AM
please send me and the country code.
integral so I can send to you sms
Regards
Cobzas and musicians
Koya - 7-20-2007 at 05:16 AM
HI Folks,
I collected some pics from Hungarian internet. They are some players with good cobzas.
The first player is Attlia Buzas. He plays some groups like SÖNDÖRGŐ, KÁRPÁTIA, KOBZART.
His cobza made in Reghen in the Hora Factory.
Mátyas Bolya.
He is the cobza player of KÁRPÁTIA Band. He is also playing with original Moldavian flute and fiddlle players and he plays together with Márta
Sebestyén the world famous Hungarian folk singer..
They are play Hungarian historical music together.
Szabolcs Róka (with lute) and Zoltán Kátayspyros mesogeia - 7-20-2007 at 08:01 AM
Nice cobza the one with the mechanical keys
Regards
RobertI have send you an sms
Regardsarsene - 7-21-2007 at 05:43 PM
friend Koya, I am going home by plane as well! But we must meet sometime, i always wanted to visit szeged anyway. Maybe we could come together
sometime, you, me and spyros!arsene - 7-21-2007 at 05:47 PM
by the way, you are more than welcome to visit me in Bucharest, if you like. I will u2u my phone nr. and address. Unfortunately in september i will be
back in Holland for college...arsene - 7-21-2007 at 05:50 PM
by the way, you are more than welcome to visit me in Bucharest, if you like. I will u2u my phone nr. and address. Unfortunately in september i will be
back in Holland for college...spyros mesogeia - 7-22-2007 at 01:53 AM
I will be in Timisoara for 4 years at least
I am sure that we will brake some bridges of playing
Regards
Spyros
Mr. Negel passed away shortly after this recording was made and, as one of the very last traditional lute players left in Moldavia, is an
irreplaceable loss to the music of this region.
Koya - 7-28-2007 at 11:53 PM
A very good article by Bob Cohen. He is the violinplayer of Di Naye Kapelye.
He met lots of musicians in Moldova and Transylvania.
Some pics about the best Chango celebration in Budapest.Koya - 8-3-2007 at 04:50 AM
Hello Spyros,
I am happy to meet you.
You will see and hear something beautiful.
The Cobza is alive...
Bye: Robertspyros mesogeia - 8-3-2007 at 10:32 AM
The folk is alive and real.....
It speaks to our Hearts.
Thanks to our teachers.The old men that show us all these uniques secrets.....
Regards
Spyros
Cobzas and musicians
Koya - 8-3-2007 at 10:34 PM
Mr. Tamás Kobzos Kiss
The Master of Cobza.
Hi is most popular Hungarian cobza player, song teller, folk musician. He had thousands of folk and early music concerts in the last 30 years. He also
plays hurdy- gurdy, lute, saz, oud.
He is the director of Óbuda Folk music Institute.
along with my other music files.Jack_Campin - 1-22-2008 at 05:19 PM
Forgot to edit my signature line -shilnov - 4-5-2008 at 04:34 AM
The ukrainian instrument is also called cobza, alternatively bandura. It is a sort of hybrid between a zither and a lute, yet the early instruments
look more like the romanian cobza. The photo is from 2004turkishoudman - 4-5-2008 at 04:54 AM
very interesting thanks for sharingKoya - 4-8-2008 at 10:22 PM
Hello,
There is some Moldavian melody by Bogdan Toedor fiddle and Antim Ioan on cobza.
Amazing pics & mp3's you got there, Robert! Thanks a million...
We should still meet up, I think... I'll be going to Bucharest this august again... I'm thinking of visiting Szeged in July, perhaps?Koya - 4-13-2008 at 07:02 AM
Hello Arsene, Hi folks,
I just found some interested materials...
I think you will like it...
really liked your group's "myspace" selection of tunes - "atalmenek a temeton" and "anyam enesanyam" in particular - very soulful.
mega respect and grazie - bill
Late cobzaplayers from Moldova
Koya - 10-22-2008 at 05:52 AM
Duo from Tamásfalva. Moldavian region, Romania.
Late cobzaplayers from Moldova
Koya - 10-22-2008 at 06:25 AM
Choiban Raducanu (Ploszkucény)
Late cobza players
Koya - 10-22-2008 at 06:32 AM
Late cobzaplayer from Moldova from Bacioi, Romania
Koboz Method DVD
Koya - 1-2-2009 at 01:13 PM
Hi Folks,
I am happy to say the first Hungarian Koboz/ Cobza Method is out now.
I am the producer of this material. I got many ideas from this forum.
The cobza player is my teacher : Géza FÁBRI
We are working on English subtittles at the moment.
I will let you know when it is available.
Cheers,
Koya
Koya, gratulálok/congratulations. Looks like a really nice set.Koya - 1-8-2009 at 05:39 AM
Hello,
Köszönöm szépen. / Thank you. I am glad for one more guy from Hungary on this gorgeous forum.
Koya
Cobza chart
Koya - 1-9-2009 at 01:21 AM
Hello,
Sorry
Koya - 1-9-2009 at 01:24 AM
It was tooo large file. I 'll try next time...
billkilpatrick - 1-9-2009 at 04:02 PM
tante auguri! - best wishes for success on your DVD ...
my instrument buying days are over (yay! - no more room in the closets - plural) - but i'd be very curious to see how the method of play advised for
the cobza - the technique - applies to the oud. the youtube samples you've provided - with tunde's incredibly beautiful voice and geza's punchy,
soulful playing make me think there's a whole world out there worth investigating.billkilpatrick - 1-9-2009 at 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Koya
Duo from Tamásfalva. Moldavian region, Romania.
I spent some time in Romania last year, including the place where that video was made - I have a travelogue with pictures and many external links on
my website:
Originally posted by Jack_Campin
I spent some time in Romania last year, including the place where that video was made - I have a travelogue with pictures and many external links on
my website:
this guy is from Moldova too, I contacted both him and Violeta and they both said there might be some shops in Chisinau that sell these nice looking
instruments. It's like an oud and a bouzouki had babies!
I'm afraid you'll actually have to physically go to Chisinau to get your hands on one...Ararat66 - 2-1-2009 at 01:24 PM
I'm sorry but I'm not looking at the Cobza there
LeonJack_Campin - 2-2-2009 at 06:36 AM
What language is that guy singing in?arsene - 2-2-2009 at 07:22 AM
Moldavian dialect of Romanian (if you mean Tudor Ungureanu!) which for native Romanian speakers is still 99% intellegible.
Pronounciation is different and some words differ slightly. One distinct feature is that in Moldavian the "v" often turns into a "j" (pronounced as
the French word gendarme)
"wine" - (romanian) vin; (moldavian) jin
"to fit" - (ro) a se potrivi; (mol) a se potriji
Somehow the cobza scene is still very alive both in Moldavia (province) as in the country Moldavia!billkilpatrick - 2-2-2009 at 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Jack_Campin
What language is that guy singing in?
Ok so this is not exactly cobza music, but I'm pretty sure that there's a cobza in there every now and then, and it even has a mini solo at 4:07! Edward Powell - 2-7-2009 at 02:17 PM
I'm a newcomer to this thread but find this instrument fascinating - especially since I normally live very near - in Czech...
Can someone recommend any clips or mp3 which show this instrument in a solo situation? In all the clips I heard so far it was drowned out by the
violin....arsene - 2-7-2009 at 02:35 PM
and search youtube for Zlotea, Tudor Unugreanu, Violeta Zaplitnii and Tudor Gheorghe for some authentic Romanian cobza playing (although Zaplitnii
plays jazz on it too )
Finally, not cobza but still cool to post I think, Romanian music played on... a leaf. Seriously, a leaf. (Off a tree, I guess).
really fascinating!
it also looks very similar to a turkish classic kemence turned sideways.
I have a friend, Sandor Szabo from budapest who is now working on a project to revive (or re-invent) the hungarian makam... I wonder if he could get
inspiration from this instrument?arsene - 2-9-2009 at 09:17 AM
The Hungarian makam? wow, I didn't even know that existed! Keep me up to date on this one, sounds interesting... and I guess you could use a cobza for
it, although maybe the cobza would need a slightly longer neck?
I know Romanian music has something similar to a makam but it's nowadays only used in (orthodox) church music. A makam is called "glas" (literally:
voice, or sound), but I've no idea wether this was exclusively used in church music or in secular music as well.. could be an interesting study!
Oh, and keep us up to date with that Hungarian makam project!gregorypause - 2-11-2009 at 05:43 AM
Never heard of a Hungarian makam. Then again I am not familiar with music theory (historical) to this extent.
However, I found an interesting project of Sandor Szabo. It is in Hungarian but the pictures speak for themselves. He had this instrument built. It is
a mix between a fretless guitar and oud:
Very nice to hear this Byzantine music - - - I can definitely hear how it has influenced Turkish music!
Before the concert
Koya - 5-14-2009 at 11:34 PM
Hi,
Bolya's cobza befor the concert.adamgood - 5-14-2009 at 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by arsene
and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJWAi4qP5HQ&feature=channel which is done in Glas 5 (makam 5) but I have no idea wha the other 4 are and how
many there are above 5...! I guess it's byzantine theory?
WOW! I am in shock for so many reasons, first of all that is really beautiful to my ears and probably everyone here.
2nd of all...this glas, it sounds and moves so much like Huseyni! Whoah. It's almost creepy.
3rd, I had no idea about Byzantine chant from Romania?!?! I'm fairly ignorant about religious music in general but I have heard some Greek Byzantine
singing and been to a couple of masses in NYC that had some nice singers.
Can anyone point us to a wikipedia article or some page online that gives some info/history for the Romanian church music?
My ear has a difficult time picking up the language they are singing in...is it actually Romanian? The titles for sure look like Romanian words but
how about the text?
Also I'm curious about this word "glas"... I'm almost 100% certain glas mean voice in Bulgarian and Macedonian and I'm sure many other Slavic
languages, though what about Russian? Is that a common word in Romanian language for "voice"? Does Russian orthodox music also have "glas"es ?
"glas" is a very archaic word for voice, no doubt from Church Slavonic, but it's not used (anymore) in spoken language. You'll find it in the Bible
and some classic poems. It is indeed the same word that is used now in Bulgarian and Russian for voice. The common word for voice in Romanian is
"voce", pronounced as in Italian.
The language they sing in is indeed Romanian, albeit the form found in liturgy, so much more slavic oriented.
Glas in this case is indeed the Romanian counterpart of "tonos" (Which would literally translate to "ton" in Romanian). Another variant would be
"ecou", which actually means echo - this is the Greek influence. Romanian liturgy has always been a weird mix of Greek and Slavonic Orthodoxy.
I searched for online sources on Romanian Byzantine music as well, but haven't found much. I do know it's quite common - my grandfather always used to
listen to this kind of chants, that's where I know it from.
I'm going to Romania tomorrow, I will see if there's any info on this subject to be found over there!
[EDIT] The Greek influence can be further explained by the fact that Bucharest and Iasi (Jassy) were, at one point during Ottoman rule, the Balkan
centers of Greek learning and culture! spyros mesogeia - 7-6-2009 at 01:00 AM
Of of of,modurile astea.
Arsene intri pe facebook?
Ne am pierdut frate.....ce mai faci?
Cum merge cu muzica?
Ceva cobze noi?
Salutari din Grecia
Spyrosarsene - 7-6-2009 at 11:17 AM
yep, te am adaugat pe FB, eu sunt Andrei Liviu Popescu... eh, acuma sunt full-time cu scoala, ultimul an de drept fiscal :S
Mi-am luat si eu un ud nou din Istanbul acolo prin Tunel.. e destul de dragut, nimic special dar pentru cat a costat foarte bine construit si arata
foarte elegant.
Tu, ceva nou? Mai dai concerte prin Romania in vara asta? Si cum sa cumpar si eu CD-ul tau? Tot ascult melodiile pe MySpace dar as vrea si eu un
CD!!
[EDIT] auzi, a propo, tu nu stii mai multe despre modurile astea? Muzica bizantina... in Romania, in Balcan... cum sta cu glasurile, daca se extinde
mai mult decat in muzica religioasa? Exista de exemplu un fel de muzica "populara" in timpul Bizantiei?spyros mesogeia - 7-6-2009 at 08:50 PM
sigur ca da,exista muzica populara in moduri,o sa le discutam in separat daca vrei.
Eu sunt in Grecia acum,mai am 4 luni de armata.Dupa aia plec in Statele Unite.
Ma bucur de noul tau instrument,sa-l stapanesti sanatos frate.
Trage Tare cu scoala....da-il drum
Tinem legatura Andrei.arsene - 8-2-2009 at 06:44 AM
Slightly off topic:
I recently did some (minor) research on Aromanian (Vlach) music from Greece (and certain parts of Macedonia). Vlachs in the broadest sense are the
Latinized peoples of the Balkans, historically including modern-day Romanians. (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlachs)
The term however is now mostly being used to refer to the Aromanian people living in Northern Greece mostly, who call themselves Armãnji (derving
from Latin "Romanus") but interestingly enough, in Romanian the name for the people is "Makedoni". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromanians
They live primarily in the Pindus Mountains area and in towns such as Ioannina, Metsovo, Veria, Katerini, and Thessaloniki.
A large part of Aromanians has also been settling in Wallachia since the middle ages. Today, 25% of the Dobrujan (Black Sea coast) population is
Aromanian.
Anyway, about their music. I have a CD issued by the Association of Vlachs in Veria (Gr) - see samples here http://www.vlahoi.gr/songs.htm. On the back of the CD it says that a "lute" (laoúto) is used, but it doesn't specify the type. The sound and way
of playing does somewhat remind me of a cobza though.
I have been scouring the web to find some names of musicians but unfortunately, no results... The only two names I've got are the lute players on the
Veria cd, Apostolis Pindzileos and Hristos Dagalas, but googling their names was all in vain. I'm curious as to who that oud player might be, and if
thee are more in the aromanian tradition!
According to a fellow passenger on my flight back from Romania last week, who happened to be a Vlach from Epirus, the "outi" is a fairly common
instrument (where as the bouzouki is not at all) in Aromanian music and dance, but youtube only gave me this clip as a confirmation...
Anybody here who might know more about this? It's not entirely cobza related but I figured the romanian connection justified posting this here! adamgood - 8-2-2009 at 11:41 AM
Anyway, about their music. I have a CD issued by the Association of Vlachs in Veria (Gr) - see samples here http://www.vlahoi.gr/songs.htm. On the back of the CD it says that a "lute" (laoúto) is used, but it doesn't specify the type. The sound and way
of playing does somewhat remind me of a cobza though.
According to a fellow passenger on my flight back from Romania last week, who happened to be a Vlach from Epirus, the "outi" is a fairly common
instrument (where as the bouzouki is not at all) in Aromanian music and dance, but youtube only gave me this clip as a confirmation...
Very interesting, though I wonder if your fellow passenger on your flight was really thinking of laouto as opposed to outi? In Epirus parts of Greece
the laouto is very very common. And in the page you posted that has the short sound clips, I'm hearing laouto and very typical sounds for music from
Epirus.
But in the youtube page you posted yes by all means that's outi. So that's really interesting. I don't mean to stir up anything here by saying this
but to me the performance and sound of that track has so much in common with so-called "chalgija" music from Macedonia (FYROM)...ud, kanun,
percussion, group of people singing.
I don't mean to stir up anything here by saying this but to me the performance and sound of that track has so much in common with so-called
"chalgija" music from Macedonia (FYROM)...ud, kanun, percussion, group of people singing.
adam
I was actually thinking along the same lines... instrumental track sounds very chalgija indeed! Although I'd say the singing is less chalgija and very
typical of Vlach singing in general... but my knowledge of chalgija is very limited though.
I have been scouring the web to find some names of musicians but unfortunately, no results... The only two names I've got are the lute players on the
Veria cd, Apostolis Pindzileos and Hristos Dagalas, but googling their names was all in vain. I'm curious as to who that oud player might be, and if
thee are more in the aromanian tradition!
So I was looking to find Vlach lauto and oud players online, and what I found was a Romanian vlach bouzouki player... Mircea Cazan. Plays with Stelu
Enache (famous vlach singer in Romania) and Ionut Galani (another singer). Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfO8tnJgCCY&feature=channel kind of commercial stuff...
Great cobza piece composed by one of the greatest and most famous cobza players in Romanian history, Vasile Barbu (aka Barbu Lautaru). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sshPQK1XKx0
I have attached some nice cobza pictures! (all by Theodor Aman, a Romanian painter)
[file]10574[/file] [file]10576[/file] [file]10578[/file]arsene - 8-10-2009 at 01:06 PM
Found recordings of one of the greatest cobza players in Romania, Grigore Kiazim!
Da
cine stie, poate ne intalnim si cantam la cobza/ud!
