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8 course oud

Ronny Andersson - 7-14-2007 at 12:33 PM

First time I see a Turkish 8 course oud,
http://www.udyapim.com/Denemeler.asp
There are some very nice looking instruments on these brothers website and is any out there familiar with their work?

Jameel - 7-14-2007 at 12:42 PM

Never heard of them.

Nice ouds.

Nice video. Love the white coats. Is this a workshop or a laboratory?

I'm jealous of such a tidy shop!!

Man, those two guys are flying! I'm guessing they can't make a bowl in probably a couple hours or so.

spyros mesogeia - 7-14-2007 at 06:13 PM

What tunning is the 8 courses oud?
Regards to all
Spyros

mavrothis - 7-14-2007 at 06:47 PM

Hey,

The tuning is listed on the page linked above. From lowest to highest it's:

C# F# B e a d'd' g'g' c''c''

Nice looking instruments. I think the string space on the 8 course ud is a little tight though, down where you would be picking.

Take care,

mavrothis

Melbourne - 7-14-2007 at 07:09 PM

Gee that eight course oud looks like a weapon!

But I must say these are probably the most beautiful turkish ouds I've seen...I especially admire the proportionate pick guard design, something rare in turkish ouds these days.

http://www.udyapim.com/images/ud/b/100_0510.jpg

And I like the idea of feeding fine tubes through the strings in the pegbox area to avoid string overlaps and conflicts...very neat

Andy - 7-14-2007 at 09:34 PM

has a wider finger board to accomodate the extra strings. hope they put up a video on youtube so we can hear what it sounds like.

MatthewW - 7-15-2007 at 05:08 AM

wow! an 8 course oud! just the thing to finally drive an oud player over the edge into oud-insanity!! :airguitar:

Ronny Andersson - 7-15-2007 at 10:56 AM

In some languages is workshop called for laboratory like in Italian (laboratorio) but why white coats? Neat anyhow and impressive team work by the synchronized brothers!

Quote:

Originally posted by Jameel
Never heard of them.

Nice ouds.

Nice video. Love the white coats. Is this a workshop or a laboratory?

I'm jealous of such a tidy shop!!

Man, those two guys are flying! I'm guessing they can't make a bowl in probably a couple hours or so.

Ronny Andersson - 7-15-2007 at 11:01 AM

I find the string spacing on this 8 course oud to be on the narrow side just as mavrothis said and check out the 8 course by Fawzy Monshed with wider spacing and also floating bridge. It has been some turbulence about who the inventor of the 8 course if it is Magdy El Ashmawy or Naseer Shamma. I heard that the first 8 course oud built for Shamma was built by an Egyptian violin maker when Shamma still was in Tunis. Later he went to Fawzy Monshed but their friendship lasted only for a short time and they never realised a 8 course oud.
Just imagine what some extra strings can cause

Mazin - 7-15-2007 at 11:46 AM

Alfarabi design in action. The attachement from Nasser Shamma site.

Mazin

mavrothis - 7-15-2007 at 05:19 PM

The Fawzy oud has a very nice pegbox - it looks like calligraphy - very smart. Nice string spacing too - I think I've played one or two of his ouds, both excellent.

Check out these ouds being played by this very talented guy in Turkey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJKI_wm5eg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjKYYjLWoE

The second looks like it has an all tortoise shell fingerboard, though it might be the macassar ebony. Don't know if they are both from the same maker, but I'm impressed with the sound, along with his playing for sure.

mavrothis

mavrothis - 7-15-2007 at 06:58 PM

By the way, I just learned that Dr. Münir N. Beken's uds were made by these brothers. http://www.udyapim.com/referanslar.asp

mavrothis

Ronny Andersson - 7-15-2007 at 09:05 PM

I wonder what kind of tortoise shell source the oud makers have since tortoise have an international ban-is illegal just as eagle rishas :rolleyes:

. Check out this lute by a maker in Australia very neat and cost a lot, tortoise and ivory....http://www.ianwatchorn.com.au/ows/1696.htm
Tortoise is beautiful for pick guard,fingerboard or for any inlay.

Ronny Andersson - 7-15-2007 at 09:24 PM

Nice video of Faruk Türünz workshop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHJzxESRm-M

spyros mesogeia - 7-16-2007 at 01:01 AM

some luthiers have in stock or very old pieces of I vory with license,or they can find absolutelly leagal.
As for the skin of turtle it's the same
In Turkey and not only they sell them on the shops too.....
In Australia there are farms of crocodiles for theyr skin
Or several types of snakes.......
Some people are against of it,and some people like the matterials on the decoration......
Ofcourse we are against of ilegal killing of the elephants ,but you know that on some parks are and some animas that die for age or sickness reasons,I also have seen that in some national parks .they kill some animals when the are overpopulated,for the balance of the animal population.
It is sad maybe,but there are many legal ways to get.
Not all the elephants are in extintion.
Regards to all

P.S.It's true that many of us want a decorated instrument,and ofcourse we respect nature.

Multi Kulti - 7-16-2007 at 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mavrothis
Check out these ouds being played by this very talented guy in Turkey:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHJKI_wm5eg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzjKYYjLWoE

The second looks like it has an all tortoise shell fingerboard, though it might be the macassar ebony. Don't know if they are both from the same maker, but I'm impressed with the sound, along with his playing for sure.

mavrothis

Ive seen these videos a week ago and i loved his ouds' sound and his playing very much too Mav.And i have the same questions as you..who is the maker.In another video he plays one very nice sounding Mustafa Copcuoglu oud too.Check it out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmBuENQXFsU&mode=related&sea...

Jason - 7-16-2007 at 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by spyros mesogeia
P.S.It's true that many of us want a decorated instrument,and ofcourse we respect nature.

Unfortunately, even if you buy legal sources of these materials you are contributing to illegal poaching by sustaining the demand for the 'products'.

Melbourne - 7-16-2007 at 03:36 AM

Ronny - you're familiar with Ian's work?? He's here in Melbourne and he recently converted a cheap Khalifeh oud into a decent floating bridge bashir style oud for me. Not very bashir sound as the string lenght is 61.5, but amazing result and work nevertheless. I've been wanting to post pics on here for ages but I never get the time.....But I'll get around to it soon

spyros mesogeia - 7-16-2007 at 03:55 AM

the same you can say about ebony

Ararat66 - 7-16-2007 at 06:05 AM

Great sounding oud Mav - I also wonder who the maker is!! really bright sound.

Leon

Ronny Andersson - 7-16-2007 at 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Melbourne
Ronny - you're familiar with Ian's work?? He's here in Melbourne and he recently converted a cheap Khalifeh oud into a decent floating bridge bashir style oud for me. Not very bashir sound as the string lenght is 61.5, but amazing result and work nevertheless. I've been wanting to post pics on here for ages but I never get the time.....But I'll get around to it soon

Well not more than I have seen two of his lutes and both were of outstanding workmanship and very good sounding. If I could afford (my wife

) I should buy the lute with tortoise ad ivory and us it as a wall decoration :cool:

Please try to sort out your stuff and post the pictures

Ronny Andersson - 7-16-2007 at 08:23 AM

Mutlu Torun is an oudplayer that I always have admired and I am very found in the sound that his ouds use to have and I wonder if he use to have the same oud since the sound use to be very typical for him. A video here of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHngylI2BA

Ronny Andersson - 7-16-2007 at 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mazin
Alfarabi design in action. The attachement from Nasser Shamma site.

Mazin

I am definitely having a flashback http://www.elashmawyoudandnay.com/Answers.html

mavrothis - 7-16-2007 at 08:38 AM

Mutlu Torun owns many great uds I'm sure, but I'm also pretty sure that in his collection are two Manol uds owned by Udi Yorgos Bacanos. Not bad right?

He's a great player, and his method is the best I know of for the Turkish style ud.

I wonder if my bank will give me an "oud loan" so I can get all the instruments I want...probably not a good idea...

mavrothis

oudipoet - 7-16-2007 at 09:52 AM

sure they will give you a loan mavrothis but u would also have to get a new house as well other vise where would you fit all those instruments right ? lol

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mavrothis - 7-16-2007 at 10:03 AM

Yeah oudipoet, you're absolutely right.

Though fortunately ouds don't take up that much room...

Ronny Andersson - 7-16-2007 at 02:27 PM

Thanks for the info Mavrothis! don't you find Mutluns oud also very mellow and ¨bas¨ sounding and with a very distinct clear lower register? Do you know if this is a typical feature for Manol?

mavrothis - 7-16-2007 at 05:53 PM

Hey,

I don't know if the oud he is playing in the video is a Manol, I don't think so, but I think generally the older Turkish style ouds have this sound, you know? Every Venios oud I've played has that great character, but it is very specific also - darker than most ouds I've played.

Torun's specific tone might also be attributed to his pick and his picking style too. You know how some players always sound like themselves, regardless of what oud they are playing? Ara Dinkjian is a good example of that, though he almost exclusively plays rather old ouds.

mavrothis

Ronny Andersson - 7-16-2007 at 06:44 PM

Indeed true

I am going to see Tasos Theodorakis later this summer and then hopefully be able to checkout his own work and his impressive oud collection with some Manols :cool:

mavrothis - 7-16-2007 at 06:51 PM

Cool, I'll be visiting Taso from July 24-27. Picking up my oud and hopefully playing some instruments in his collection.

Maybe I'll see you there.

Take care,

mavrothis

Multi Kulti - 7-17-2007 at 07:00 AM

I never had the chance to see the old collection in Tasos' shop.He doesnt keep the ouds there as the shop is too small..but if you tell him before i think it wouldnt be a problem to bring some manols for a test drive

See you in Thessaloniki Mav

Nikos

P.s. By the way...i think i will bring my old Kuchukian to Thodorakis for the restoration..