oudipoet - 7-21-2007 at 10:29 PM
hi friends i was wondering if someone can translate this label for me or if someone has an idea about the maker of this oud.
please let me know thnx
Shot at 2007-07-21
dubai244 - 7-21-2007 at 11:20 PM
Hi,
This is not Arabic. it is either tukrish or kurdish or some where in between. because they use arabic letters in their language.
From where you got this oud, any way?
Cheers
spyrosc - 7-22-2007 at 01:36 AM
Well the date is in Arabic. It is in Old Syrian-style months, I believe it says "Kanoun Aoual" which is December, and the full date is December 12,
1926.
Pretty old piece. Nice.
And it could be Turkish. I believe I see the words "Tarafendan Aamal" in the first line. Turkish used Arabic characters until about 1928.
Spyros C.
Faladel - 7-22-2007 at 07:17 AM
Hayk ousta (Tarafendan Aamal) Hand maker ...Nº 31 ...full date is December 12, 1926.
oudipoet - 7-22-2007 at 07:29 AM
hayk ousta?? umm that s interesting i ve never heard of him does anybody know anything about him?
Andy - 7-22-2007 at 06:15 PM
Could it also be Haik or Haig ousta? If so, Haik/Haig would be an Armenian name.
Faladel - 7-23-2007 at 07:50 AM
yes Andy it also be Haik , with (K). not (G).
Jonathan - 7-23-2007 at 07:51 AM
There was an Armenian oud maker named Haik based in Damascus in the 1920s. I've seen photos of one of his ouds from 1924.
Any chance we can see the rest of the oud?
What does aamal mean?
Faladel - 7-23-2007 at 07:55 AM
No Jonathan Georgy Haik is another very great Luthier.
aamal mean :Work.
Jonathan - 7-23-2007 at 07:56 AM
I hadn't heard of Georgy Haik. Any other details?
Faladel - 7-23-2007 at 08:01 AM
Georgy Haik is a very big luthier, his work shop was in Aleppo and Damascus from 1909-1940, it has made ouds with the highest quality, it was thought
Abdo Nahat, I have two of his ouds
ALAMI - 7-23-2007 at 08:28 AM
I think that Hayek is not the right transcription because it is clear that the first letter of the name is "Heh" like the H in Happy and not "7eh" as
for the common arabic name 7ayek, I believe it is closer to the armeninan names like Hakbek Usta or even Hampik Usta (as B and P can be written the
same)
"Tarafanda A'mal" could also mean "great work of"
oudipoet - 7-24-2007 at 09:36 AM
here is an other pict of the oud and a friend of mine in istanbul found that oud for me it s definetl turkish style but still i could not find any
info about the maker besides faladel s translation which is "Hayk ousta (Tarafendan Aamal) Hand maker ...Nº 31 ...full date is December 12, 1926. "
but behind that no info on the internet about hayk usta what so ever so if anybody can find more info on this maker please let me know it would be so
helpfull.
Shot at 2007-07-24
Jonathan - 7-24-2007 at 10:35 AM
I still say this is probably the Haig (or Haik) that was based in Damascus. I don't know anything else about him, but he went by just that name. I
am not referring to the same maker as you are Faladel. Haik (Haig) is a fairly common name.
Any chance you can show us what the rest of the oud looks like?
oudipoet - 7-24-2007 at 11:59 AM
sorry these 2 are the only picts that my friend send it to me but if u are asking to see if there are any ornaments on the back of the oud i asked my
friend and he said there are none it s a very simple and classic turkish design.
oudmaker - 7-25-2007 at 02:40 PM
Hello guys,
The label is in old Turkish. Says:
First two lines:
" HAYK USTA TARAFINDAN IYMAL"
" EDILMISTIR"
Third line is his address:
"ORTAKOY DEREBOYU NUMARO 31"
Last line is a date:
"12 KANUN-U EVVEL 1926"
In English:
First two lines: "Made by Hayk usta"
Third line is an address in Istanbul Ortakoy DEREBOYU is a litle neigbourhood in Ortakoy which is a suburb of Istanbul on bosforus at Europian side
rigth under the Bosforus Bridge.
Last line is: December 12, 1926
So the label says oud was made in Istanbul by an Armenian oud maker. The looks of the top is classical Turkish style of that era.
Dincer