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Jassim
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its funny thing
akram you post this oud in many fourms asking who made this oud !!!!!!!!!!!and now you say that you order this oud from abo alla??????????? you order
this oud and now you ask who made it  ??????????
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Brian Prunka
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Just to respond to Shareen's comment:
The reason it's okay to copy a dead person's design, but not someone who is living, is that the dead person is dead, while the living person is
living. It's obvious--you cannot harm the interests of a dead person. He does not need to eat, keep a roof over his head, purchase clothing, etc.
If he has feelings, presumably they are somewhat removed from the activities of this world.
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Jassim
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Shareen's
first: this oud is not good looking
its not allowed to copy any thing from any one befor takeing Authorize from him
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shareen
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Again, I don't think Abu Ala meant to "copy" the oud. He may have used some design elements from it, that's it. Believe me he doesn't need to copy
anyone's instruments. He makes his own great ouds all by himself. I own one. The oud I have has inlay that one may say he "copied" from Nazih...lo
and behold he showed me a book of inlays that is available to all luthiers to use and our favorite luthiers have used them. Why don't we just call it
"paying tribute" to other builders, like we do in the guitar world, where it's no big deal to use the design ideas of another luthier if it works.
Mr. Turnruz, I am sorry if you think I "abused" you. Maybe it's a language thing, but I didn't mean it that way. Take a "chill pill" as we say in
New York. Relax!! You are the greatest! Why be so angry? 
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jass
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Whats everybody so upset about?
This maker has just copied Turunz rossettes and pickguard hardly enough to make it a Turunz oud. Everyone knows the amazing quality of Turunz ouds, so
its sound should be its defense. I wouldnt worry about it. Just play it in good health...
Oud makers have copied other ouds for years, oud makers when they start out have to have a reference point and it would be interesting to know if
Turunz has ever copied another oud in the beginning? perhaps a Manol or double sound board?
Also, rossettes and pickguards can be outsourced made by other people and sold in sets to the maker, so no big deal. So, is then Jameel a fake for
copying Nahats? no!!!!!! Its a Jameel oud and a fine one at that with some design aspects of Nahat. Just see it as sharing knowledge, or sharing
happiness. Im sure there isnt a queue for this oud maker and Turunz rossettes, so Turunz can rest assured...
I think Shareen makes a good point, Jassim should relax, he sounds like he is on the Turunz payroll...its not really a big deal...Happy oud playing!
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Jassim
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jass
first im not on turunz payroll turuz is my freind and Be polite agine
second
most of the syria makers i cant say all of thim but lets say 98% cheat the custmers by copying mahamad fadel ouds and turunz oud and other makers i
think you like other maker to do that ?
and when akram post this oud here and ask about the maker name and he knows who is the maker
why didnt you talk about that?
and did you know that not only akram post the oud here
he post it in zeryab too and other fourmes asking pls people pls oud players tell me how made this lovely oud????
i think he want to show that abo alaa can steel another maker oud
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Jassim
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maybe me and you know the original turunz oud but others dont know and dont have Experienced to know
i know some players pay more than 4000 $ for ouds then they find thats its not origenal its copy !!!
and i sow akram sell some ouds why did he tell abo alaa to copy turunz Design? mabe to sell it in high prise?
why did he didnt tell abo alaa i want abo alaa Design if he is a good maker and love his ouds?
its so Weird !!!!!
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farukturunz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jass
if Turunz has ever copied another oud in the beginning? perhaps a Manol or double sound board?
ust see it as sharing knowledge, or sharing happiness. Im sure there isnt a queue for this oud maker and Turunz rossettes, so Turunz can rest
assured...
I think Shareen makes a good point, Jassim should relax, he sounds like he is on the Turunz payroll...its not really a big deal...Happy oud playing!
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First point: I have never copied another oud in the beginning and during my career. If I had done that I am sure I would have not been lost trough
Physics and Mathematics books for almost 10 years to understand how a musical instrument functions.
Second point: That rosette design was created by an artist teaching "Ottoman Decoration Arts" in the Faculty of Fine Arts of Istanbul Fine Arts
University on my special order and I paid a good deal for it. What happens if I sue Abo Alaa for using that design which is protected by
copyright!!!!
Third point: You had better deal with your own affairs. It's non of your business, gentleman! Or is it? Jassim is a very honorable musician and expert
who can distinguish and evaluate ouds. Why are you assaulting without any achievement if you are not payrolled by some one!
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Ararat66
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Dear Faruk
I think I may have said this before in similar circumstances. You shouldn't have to worry about his, your ouds are so good, universally respected and
unique that they are beyond needing to be defended - they 'speak' for themselves. I would even say that they are beyond copyright, just because
something looks a bit like the real thing is just on the surface.
You don't need to justify yourself on this forum, we know you are a master luthier and nobody here can deny this ... if they do then what do they
know? if a dog calls a cat a dog it will not start barking. Please don't worry s much, your ouds are superb
My best wishes and respect
Leon
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Josh
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as in my fist post, why did the original poster ask who made the oud when they new who made it? I think he owes everyone an explanation
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farukturunz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ararat66
Dear Faruk
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You don't need to justify yourself on this forum
Leon |
Thank you dear Leon for your appreciative of merit. You are absolutely right... There are many beloved people on this forum who justify me and the
truth better than I can do with my inefficient English!
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dubai244
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Hi,
I am honored that i own an oud made by the best oud maker in the world, Mr.Faruk Turunz. I have other professional ouds but non of them is even close
to Mr.Faruk Turunz oud.
In the other hand, I am really shocked that some people they dont know what "ART" means. Any ART in this world has a copy right by it is owner. No
body in this world can claim that he invent this peice of art. Some people want to convert this ART to money and "akram" case is a good example. This
fake oud was a test for the people in this forum to see if it can pass and sell it with high price claiming is Mr.Faruk oud or turkish oud without
caring about the copy right or the feeling of the orignal maker. These kind of people are not qualified to be artist, because they dont know the value
of the art and they want to destroy this beautifull art.
Akram, Please answer following qestions:
1. Why did you ask people about "Who make this oud" while you know the answer?
2. Did you ask "Abu.abdulla" to make this oud for you?
Note: If you dont answer these questions then we already knew it !!
Thanks
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oudplayer
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hey guys
faruk again and again amazing ouds and even if 100 people tell you that you know its true.
about abu allah, i dont know why he would wanna copy faruks master peices. i know they are amazing but oud makers have there own dictintive ouds and
they are known for it. abu allahs ouds are amazing sound and craftmanship is great .
faruks is the same but they are 100% differ .
so on the other hand idk why one oud master would go into someones elses teritory when they have there own ouds and ideas.
thx sammy
we are lost camels in the desert and wanna find our way to water and the water is in aden
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JT
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Hey Guys,
Many of you make a valid point here and no one questions Oustaz Faruks' prestige in sound, structure and design of his ouds, so this is ok.
Although it is a compliment in a way that the Oud maker Abou Alaa likes Oustaz Faruk Turunz' design, It is really really UNFAIR to Oustaz Faruk that
he should use it.
Oustaz Turunz has worked hard and committed long hours in creating that design and I think it should be a matter of respect and integrity from Abou
Alaa not to copy the design and sell it as his own.
Oustaz Faruk is alive today(God lengthen his life and give him strength and he
has a small workshop, not a big guitar factory who can afford to be undercut with fakes or replicas, so his design should be respected. And although
copyright in such matters are hard to enforce, integrity, morality, common courtesy and respect should rule.
Oustaz Faruk has every right to be upset about this and I hope that these replicas do not contine to be manufactured...
All the best,
JT
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shareen
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Let's get one thing straight. Akram never offered this oud for sale? English is not his first language (like many others on the forum). I think this
whole thing was done rather innocently. Everyone needs to lighten up here.
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paulO
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Lighten up...good idea. So, Akram -- how about a sound sample  Okay,
sorry....I just was curious....
Cordially...Paul
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Ararat66
Oud Junkie
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I think we ought to be careful reacting too strongly to things written in English if that is not your first language. I remember a letter from my
Uncle Leon (God rest his soul) years ago who was Armenian. It was pretty offensive until I got my mother to translate the Armenian version ino
English - It turned out t be totally the opposite in meaning and very funny, and kind.
Leon
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suz_i_dil
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Dear mr Faruk, as Leon, I just think you don't have to loose your time justifying yourself on the forum.
There is one thing sure which never may be copy from your instrument is their great sound. Moreover the finition of your ouds which is perfect and
very few maker have the ability to make such work.
This kind of copy is just a proof of mediocrity in his behavior, and as any mediocr behavior I think you can just take it regardless.
Sincerely.
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