marco
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rosette
Hi everybody! is there anyone here who can give me the courage to remove the rosette from my Syrian oud?? any tips?
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Giorgioud
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Excuse me, but why do you want to remove the rosette in the first place, if I may ask?
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fernandraynaud
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@Marco, welcome! Need some encouragement? Look at all the Syrian ouds with no rosette. Surely they didn't start out like that, did they? So all those
rosettes were removed from baby ouds with no ill effects 
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Alfaraby
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Yes ! WHY ?
Anyhow, here are some tips from my experience :
If the rosette is glued with contact glue, use thinner to wet a blade and ease it between the soundboard and the rosette. The thinner would cause the
contact glue to dissolve & the rosette to loosen and easily be released/removed.
If the rosette is glued with another kind of adhesives (hide, plastic), you shall sacrifice the rosette, but beware while handling the soundboard !
Good luck !
You're going to need it
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
alfarabymusic@gmail.com
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Dr. Oud
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There is no need to sacrifice the rose.The rose is usually glued with hide glue which can be softened with warm water. Apply some warm water around
the perimeter of the glue joint with a small brush. Next work a thin knife into the glue joint and around the perimeter. I use a thin artist's palette
knife you can find at hobby or art supply stores. Get the one that is bent so you don't damage the opposite side you are working on. Inset the knife
carefully at one of the edges between the top and bottom and work it around the perimeter adding warm water as you go. At the top, bottom and both
side edges there will be braces and the knife will only go in a short distance, so don't push too far, the edge should be about 5-10mm/1/8 - 1/4 inch
wide. When the rose drops into the oud, you can tape it down to the inside to keep it from getting more damaged. To re-glue the rose, first sand the
glue joint smooth on both the face inside and the rose edge. Apply some hide glue to the face inside and to the edge of the rose. Tie the rose to some
sticks around the perimeter with enough slack to position the sticks on top of the face. Add some warm water around the perimeter, then pull the rose
up to the face with some small wedges or blocks. See - it's easy!
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marco
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marco
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I just have to remove the pickup inside because it sounds very bad..by the way my intention is to put the rosette back once i take off the pickup,
cause rosettes are part of the oud design in my opinion.. I mean don't get me wrong but ouds with no rosettes look too much guitar like...which is ok
but still...oud is oud! 
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marco
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Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud  | | There is no need to sacrifice the rose.The rose is usually glued with hide glue which can be softened with warm water. Apply some warm water around
the perimeter of the glue joint with a small brush. Next work a thin knife into the glue joint and around the perimeter. I use a thin artist's palette
knife you can find at hobby or art supply stores. Get the one that is bent so you don't damage the opposite side you are working on. Inset the knife
carefully at one of the edges between the top and bottom and work it around the perimeter adding warm water as you go. At the top, bottom and both
side edges there will be braces and the knife will only go in a short distance, so don't push too far, the edge should be about 5-10mm/1/8 - 1/4 inch
wide. When the rose drops into the oud, you can tape it down to the inside to keep it from getting more damaged. To re-glue the rose, first sand the
glue joint smooth on both the face inside and the rose edge. Apply some hide glue to the face inside and to the edge of the rose. Tie the rose to some
sticks around the perimeter with enough slack to position the sticks on top of the face. Add some warm water around the perimeter, then pull the rose
up to the face with some small wedges or blocks. See - it's easy! |
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marco
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HOORAY I DID IT !! Thank you thank you thank you! I used a solvent for painters(oil cleaner), a syringe, and a knife  I was scared and stressed but as soon i saw the glue melt the game was done
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marco
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| Quote: Originally posted by fernandraynaud | | @Marco, welcome! Need some encouragement? Look at all the Syrian ouds with no rosette. Surely they didn't start out like that, did they? So all those
rosettes were removed from baby ouds with no ill effects |
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marco
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All right I trust you ! I can make it! I can make it!
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