luan
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Turkish music ornamentation
I know there are threads about this, but I couldn't find the info I'm searching
I love the ways Turkish musicians play a melody, with all those ornamentations.
I've heard:
Wide vibratos (but that I can't seems to be able to play yet)
That fast hammer on, on a sort of descending scale
Sometimes they play a note, and then slide from the note below to it again
The problem is that no matter how much I listen and practice those ornamentations I hear... I can't seem to understand and really get them.
One user posted something like the hammer ons I mention, but I don't think that it was exactly the ornamentation I mean
Thanks a lot for any info or suggestion you may have in order to learn this.
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Khalid_Salé
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I think you mean carpma:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7di_2C0CE&feature=relmfu
(This is on tanbur, but it's nice and clear and not too different to the ud, I think.)
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luan
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Yes, that is one of the ornamentations I mean
The thing is that I don't get how he picks (what notes he picks and what notes he hammer) and how to make it sound like that. Is he using quarter
tones? I hear some, but again, I don't know if he plays the quarter tones in the fast hammer or in the long notes.
Thanks!
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luan
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I think maaaybe I've nailed the concept:
Maybe the way to play carpma is to pick, hammer on and then pick again. Am I right?
Thanks!
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luan
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ_4Vy6qyqQ
Notice how he starts with an upstroke, it makes it sound better that way
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Khalid_Salé
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I think the upstroke is more for the tanbur (apparently it's really hard to get a good tone on it), but yes the way I understand carpma is that you
pick, hammer-on, and then simultaneously pick and hammer off at the same time. But hopefully there are some Turkish-style players here who actually
have some teachers (unlike me), who can explain it properly!
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luan
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Thanks!
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jiggo
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Hi Luan,
we have the same problems. The ornamentations in Turkish music sound wonderful to me. I really try to learn them from videos but still it is
impossible for me to get the technique.
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luan
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Just really got it:
I play it starting with an upstroke, hammer on (really fast and without moving the fingers too much away from the fingerboard), then downstroke on the
first note. Practice it slow.
The idea is that for every pick attack, there is one hammer.
So it would be UHDH and repeat.
U= upstroke
H = Hammer
D = Downstroke
Practice it slow and at tempo, then gradually do it faster. I spent the entire day doing this, and just worked.
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