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Zulkarnain
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Hi Sypros and everyone
Just wondering if you guys already receive your eagle quill pick? Let me know how is it work ok...thanks guys! 
Salam
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They got sent back to me, something about "health safety", post some pics up though if you guys want... Zul, I can get yours to you when you
come to DXB.
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Zulkarnain
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Hi Nadir
Its ok bro not a problem maybe next time..Il be in Cairo this June.
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nadir
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It's really a shame though... they were beautiful.
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Dear friend Nadir,
Don't worry about that my friend,that what really counts is that you tryed to send it to us,
I personally really apreciate that very much
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Spyros
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| Quote: | Originally posted by nadir
They got sent back to me, something about "health safety", post some pics up though if you guys want... Zul, I can get yours to you when you
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Nadir, The quills were maybe returned because you sent the entire feather. The plum must be removed and cut them short around 10cm is enough for use.
Sure it looks nice with a long risha with some plum but not necessary.
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Pea<b>rooster</b> Feathers
I have quite a few complete pea<b>rooster</b> wing feathers - these are 15" long and include the full quill. I'm wondering if
these can be used for rishas. They are wing feathers - not the colorful tail feathers. They have a rather hard stiff quill however so I don't
know how they would work.
Ronny - do eagle quills gain some flexibility after soaking them in olive oil for 6 months? Do you use the quill as is or can you shape it by sanding,
etc...
I was going to use these feathers to make arrows but I have several dozen so I'm sure I can spare a few.
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Dear friend Nadir,
I usually play with long rishas,please clean them and send them longer than 13 cm if it is possible....
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Lee, Only very large wing quills from predator birds are usable for risha. There are no good substitutes for eagle quills and I'll post photos of
the part of the feather one uses for risha making.I'll also show you what the oil does.
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Feather Photos
Here's what my feathers look like:
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LeeVaris
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Close up of tip
These feathers are 37 cm long
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Zulkarnain
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Lee
That is awesome quill man....spare one for me?
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Lee, how'd you find feathers like these in Los Angeles? There's only some remote farms here and there that have
pea<b>rooster</b>s, but nothing widespread. I'm just curious...
TP21
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Feathers from Missouri
I got these feathers along with some Turkey feathers from a guy in Missouri. These were supplied for making arrow fletching – the feathers at the
end of an arrow. One of my other hobbies is primitive/traditional archery and I was interested in making arrows from unprocessed, raw feathers. At any
rate I now have a box full of these pea<b>rooster</b> feathers. I'll be happy to send one out to any of the experts to see if they
might be suitable for rishas for the oud.
Let me know if you want one.
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Zulkarnain
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errr I want one
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LeeVaris
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email me
Hey Zulk, Spyros & others,
Email me with your address and I'll send one off to you.
I don't really know if these will work any where near as well as eagle rishas but I suppose its worth a try... I look forward to hearing from
Ronny about more detailed instructions for the preparation of such "quill" rishas.
I must tell you... the raw quill is not very playable - I can sort of get it to work but its very tricky and stiff – the point has a tendency to
hang up/catch on the strings. I don't know if eagle rishas have a different shape to the tip or if anything can really be done to shape it at
all.
Anyway, please email me at:
varis@varis.com
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LeeVaris
Hey Zulk, Spyros & others,
Email me with your address and I'll send one off to you.
I don't really know if these will work any where near as well as eagle rishas but I suppose its worth a try... I look forward to hearing from
Ronny about more detailed instructions for the preparation of such "quill" rishas.
I must tell you... the raw quill is not very playable - I can sort of get it to work but its very tricky and stiff – the point has a tendency to
hang up/catch on the strings. I don't know if eagle rishas have a different shape to the tip or if anything can really be done to shape it at
all.
Anyway, please email me at:
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Exactly not very playable! This type of risha is what many early lutenists uses, together with many other for us oud players ¨strange¨ materials.
All of them are far to weak for modern strings and the aggressive oud technique.
I believe few knows which part the traditional eagle quill risha is made of. But first I must state there are no other bird specie that I'm aware
about that have so strong and large wing pens as the eagle.Other bird species like pea<b>rooster</b>, turkey have far to small and fragile
wing pens. The part you used Lee is the end section of the shaft that is hollowed, transparent and nearly round in shape. This section is removed
from the eagle quill; one uses the upper part of the shaft and is best if you take a look here :Feather
Is the section that is described as ¨ trunk of a tree¨ . This section that is nearly flat is divided in two section and it's the upper part
which is black on a eagle feather that is being used. This is a very delicate work and it's easy to ruin a feather. The Iraqi method that
I'm practicing, is to keep lot of the white soft material that is inside the central part of the shaft. This white material gets very hard after
storage in olive oil for 6 months. Munir Bashir told that 6 months was necessary and my own empirical experiments confirms his words. Unfortunately I
don't have an entire feather to show you the procedure but I know that Tony Klein here in Sweden has a very old eagle feather but I don't
think he wants me to cut in it....anyhow, I attach a photo of finished shaped risha but they haven't been stored in oil and that's why the
white is still white.
The eagle risha is played with black upper for downstroak. More could be said and feel free to ask.
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Ronny
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Here's the eagle quills.
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Maybe this can work
Very interesting!
If I cut off the round quill point I'm back into a flatter section where the "feather" actually attaches to the shaft. This part of the
shaft is solid inside and I can sand down the end into a more reasonable shape for the risha.
Here's a shot showing the cut and sanded quill.
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Not exactly eagle
Here's a close up showing the end
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It plays
I can actually play with this the way it is. It's still pretty stiff but it seems quite strong. The surface is a bit soft though so I'm not
sure how long it would last with extended playing.
It might be worth trying the olive oil treatment to see if it makes it more durable.
What do you think Ronny – worth a try?
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Lee, I think you need to reduce the size a bit - it looks to big and try also to split the entire shaft in two sections. I don't see much of the
¨white¨ stuff, it maybe is because of the white colour of the pen itself. This risha looks like the ones the medieval guys have.
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Ronny
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Sizes
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