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Ronny Andersson
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Oud built 1889
I found this in England. The oud will be in Sweden the comming week.
Built by Bassil Al-tonajji - Aleppo.
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Ronny Andersson
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Ronny Andersson
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Ronny Andersson
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who cares about the soundboard and strings?
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wfspark
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1889 oud
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ronny Andersson
who cares about the soundboard and strings?
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What style of oud is that?
William F. Sparks
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wfspark
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What style of oud is that | Quote: | Originally posted by Ronny Andersson
who cares about the soundboard and strings?
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spyrosc
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Old oud
William,
This is old-style Syrian
Spyros C.
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wfspark
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1889 oud
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ronny Andersson
who cares about the soundboard and strings?
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What type of oud is that?
William F. Sparks
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wfspark
| Quote: | Originally posted by Ronny Andersson
who cares about the soundboard and strings?
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What type of oud is that?
William F. Sparks |
Collectors item.
That was a hard one..
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nadir
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!!!!!
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Jameel
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Fantastic, Ronny.
It's amazing what is out there. Just imagine what lies in people's attics gathering dust.....
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jameel
Fantastic, Ronny.
It's amazing what is out there. Just imagine what lies in people's attics gathering dust..... |
Jameel, I have located a Syrian made oud in a British museum that also is from the late 19th century and the label is not translated! The oud have lot
of decorations (no photos) and is in very good condition. I hope to take a look at it soon.
Also I need information about the builder of my own oud.
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Elie Riachi
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This old Arabic oud looks like what the European lute came from. The bowl of the Eurpean lute resembles the bowl of this oud. I can also see the
tied frets on the finger board, but that may be something the previous owner added later since it was probably used for lute music.
Nice find.
Elie
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wfspark
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Tied frets?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Elie Riachi
This old Arabic oud looks like what the European lute came from. The bowl of the Eurpean lute resembles the bowl of this oud. I can also see the
tied frets on the finger board, but that may be something the previous owner added later since it was probably used for lute music.
Nice find.
Elie |
Are tied frets normal for old style Syrian ouds?
William F. Sparks
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wfspark
| Quote: | Originally posted by Elie Riachi
This old Arabic oud looks like what the European lute came from. The bowl of the Eurpean lute resembles the bowl of this oud. I can also see the
tied frets on the finger board, but that may be something the previous owner added later since it was probably used for lute music.
Nice find.
Elie |
Are tied frets normal for old style Syrian ouds?
William F. Sparks |
I believe the pegs, string and frets are later additions on this particular oud.
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chuckerbutty
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Now that you mention it Elie, the bowl of this oud is quite lute-like. It resembles the slender teardrop shape used by makers like Maler and Frei in
the 1540s - it is also known as the Bologna shape, because that is where these makers were based. I doubt whether there is any connection between this
oud and a lute, though.
Nice find, Ronny.
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckerbutty
Now that you mention it Elie, the bowl of this oud is quite lute-like. It resembles the slender teardrop shape used by makers like Maler and Frei in
the 1540s - it is also known as the Bologna shape, because that is where these makers were based. I doubt whether there is any connection between this
oud and a lute, though.
Nice find, Ronny. |
Roufan Nahat made ouds with this shape, his father Abdo lived in the era of this oud but very few of either of these maker's ouds have survived.
Ancestry of individual instruments is hard to trace, anyway. Here's a picture of Tony Klein's Roufan.
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Adel
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very beautiful oud indeed...
Dr Oud,
This oud was made by Abdo and Roufan Nahat, how do i know this?
Abdo & Roufan worked together and they produced excellent ouds in the name of Ikhwan nahats (Nahats brother) in Arabic....also it's written
in Arabic on the Shamseya ..... most of the ouds that I see on the net are made by these 2......for example the oud which we saw not very long ago for
sale in america was made by Ikhwan Nahat (1889).
The oud which Jameel presented to us as Hanna, it's again Ikhwan Nahat...
My Question , do You have any evidance that Roufan was the son of Abdo....because I saw photos inside my oud lables and they look to me as the have
the same age...
Many thanks,
Adel
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Ronny Andersson
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Couple of years ago I met Tony at his home and played his Nahat. His oud is a masterpiece but need some repair to be
acceptable for professional use.
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckerbutty
Now that you mention it Elie, the bowl of this oud is quite lute-like. It resembles the slender teardrop shape used by makers like Maler and Frei in
the 1540s - it is also known as the Bologna shape, because that is where these makers were based. I doubt whether there is any connection between this
oud and a lute, though.
Nice find, Ronny. |
What you are telling is also what Daniel Franke wrote about. The oud is still not here but as soon it's I make some measurements.
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Ronny Andersson
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Here some new photos of the monster.
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Ronny Andersson
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endblock model 1889...
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Ronny Andersson
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and neckblock.
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Ronny Andersson
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a last one.
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Adel
Dr Oud,
....My Question , do You have any evidance that Roufan was the son of Abdo....because I saw photos inside my oud lables and they look to me as the
have the same age...
Many thanks,
Adel |
I don't have any real proof, just a collection of stories I've heard, but here's a label from an old oud back I have yet to restore...
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