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spyrosc
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Ilias
Hey Doc, why did you say it's not Ilias ? Ilias and Elias is the same name in Greek
Spyros C.
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mrkmni
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The wet sock is to clean the wood dust from the inside...
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I don't know the answer, but judging from what I can see on the picture the details look exactly like my Copcuoglu oud ... so are you secretly
repairing my Copcouoglu? Is any problem with it I didn't know? Thanks, in that case.
BTW as Copcuoglu was said to having copied Manol I suspect it is a Monol oud. The tools look as if you were fixing some internal structure around the
sound hole itself (I don't know the technical terms anyway).
Best wishes
Robert
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Dr. Oud
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It is not a Cocuoglu, but made by Ilias. It does have the proportions of a Manol, and I installed the Manol brace design.
this riddle is not yet solved.....
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Multi Kulti
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Not Ilias or indeed Ilias? I was pretty sure about that...but if you say no...
By the way nice oud...are we allowed to learn more about it? Date of birth etc etc?
Nikos
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I was mistaken about the owner, it IS indeed by Ilias, according to the owner. The label is in Turkish and Greek, neither of which I can decife, my
bad. It was made in 1922.
I'm close to declaring myself the winner on this one....
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heres a shot.
you're using the clamp and wet sock in order to stretch the sound hole, to stick a rosette inside of it, so you dont need to cut it to get inside the
oud.
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Dr. Oud
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Quote: Originally posted by talmid  | heres a shot.
you're using the clamp and wet sock in order to stretch the sound hole, to stick a rosette inside of it, so you dont need to cut it to get inside the
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interesting, I didn't know that wood would stretch....
but no, that's not it.....
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Estebanana _Stephen Faulk
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Very clever Dr. Oud. I figured it out, but I won't say anything.
Tom Chandler told me there were mysteries over here and I can't resist this kind of riddle. So I registered.
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Going back to what you were doing before to this oud. You had a broken rosette, and you mentioned that the you didn't pull the pieces out to glue them
together. I am guessing, the clamp is holding the two pieces wood as shown in the picture, these two pieces hold the two pieces of the rosette. The
wet sock is to prevent the glue from drying thereby having a rosette stuck to the two pieces of wood.
This is purely imaginary but kind of makes sense at 4:30 in the afternoon.
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: Originally posted by FastForward | | Going back to what you were doing before to this oud. You had a broken rosette, and you mentioned that the you didn't pull the pieces out to glue them
together. I am guessing, the clamp is holding the two pieces wood as shown in the picture, these two pieces hold the two pieces of the rosette. The
wet sock is to prevent the glue from drying thereby having a rosette stuck to the two pieces of wood.... |
no, not yet....
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Dr. Oud
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Thanks for your discretion, I visited your site and admired your work. You are hereby disqualified from entering these contests on
2 grounds:
1. professional luthier (smarty-pants know it all)
2. guitarists don't need a mizrab.
I remember Keni Parker, long ago & far away in my former life as a flamenco wanna be...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud |
Thank you Dr. Richard, I admire your work very much. At the moment I'm warming up to trying the oud myself so that makes me a wanna be oudi.
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Jump in!
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Estebanana _Stephen Faulk
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I have a mizrab, but I'm still disqualified.
However I do use the mizrab for repair work. It makes a perfect gesso application knife when I have to do a gesso fill. I keep it clean so when the
day comes I get or make an oud I'll have my plectrum ready!
Keep guessing !
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaveH | Well, it looks like it's the same oud as in your first example.
So is this just the clamping of the horn rose from either side as the glue dries? But that sounds too simple.
So I'll have another go as you haven't expressly forbidden multiple guesses (or does that come under the purview of the "smartypants" rule?). ...
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It is simple, but not to do with gluing the rose.
Multiple guesses are allowed.
"smartypants" are professional luthiers including lute, violin and guitar builders and repair technicians. Professional means you get paid for it.
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Dr. Oud
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All right, I'm declaring "no winner" for this contest.
The rose is horn and was warped when it was glued back together in contest #1. The sock was dampened with hot water to soften the horn and the clamp
squeezed it flat between the blocks.
Better luck next time, boys....
was that your guess Stephen?
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When I saw the two thick pieces of wood I thought it's a press, so yes I did have the idea you were gently massaging the rose back into a flat plane.
One of the things that wood and several other materials will do, for the non instrument fixers benefit, is stay put in a position they are left to dry
in. When we bend ribs for example, through heat and moisture the wood gets to a certain point where it becomes "plastic" in its cell walls. You can
then bend it, and if you leave it to cool or dry in that position, at a cellular level it will stay trained in that position.
So my question to you Dr. Oud is, did you use a little heat from am iron to help the horn material be more maleable or did you press it gradually
with the hot wet sock and press boards?
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Dr. Oud
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I just wrapped the damp sock around the rose and clamped it in 2 stages. It only took a minute for the horn to soften and apply full pressure. I let
it dry and cool for 2 days before removing the clamp and found it was indeed flat enough to glue to the face.
As for bending, heat is always applied, but I only apply moisture on the really dense hardwoods like rosewood and other dalbergia woods. Any wood
from maple down to the softer nut woods and mahoganies can be bent with heat only. There's enough moisture in the atmosphere (usually at least 10%) to
allow the cellular walls to release to the plastic state.
heres an interesting dwood info site:
http://www.wood-database.com
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