Khalid_Salé
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What Maqam is This?
Chant Sephardic Andalous - Maroc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD9kUQTM0bA
This is in E Dorian as far as I can make out, so E F# G A B C# D E, which is the same notes as the D major scale - so would we call this an Ajam in D,
even though the root note of the piece is clearly E, or is there another maqam corresponding to E dorian? Some kind of North African/Sephardic maqam,
perhaps?
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Reda Aouad
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To my ears it's not Ajam, regardless of the notes.
But what is she singing? In what language? I'm sure it's not Arabic..
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Khalid_Salé
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She's singing in Spanish.
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zou
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it's iraq in arabo andalou music.
ziad
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mrkmni
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Always we look for the base note that is remain in our ears...It is Nahawand. They play it on E..
look at the oud it is like tunisian ouds: it is inverted down - up...it is not because the player is lefthanded...
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Khalid_Salé
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So on closer inspection it is a Nahawand terachord on E (E F# G A) followed by another Nahawand tetrachord on B (B C# D E). That's not the maqam of
Nahawand exactly, but I'm not sure what exactly it is.
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mrkmni
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Yes, I usually dont care about the second tetracord because it varies any way...
I stick with 7 or 8 maqams. Those who give the nagham....
you are right it is not the nahawand hassas
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Khalid_Salé
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What is hassas? Does it mean the second half of the maqam?
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"Rosa des rosas" is not quite in Spanish - it's from the "Cantigas de Santa Maria" of King Afonso X of Spain, and it's in mediaeval
Portuguese/Galician like the rest of the collection. It's been part of the standard early music repertoire for a long time - I heard Syntagma Musicum
doing it in the early 1970s. There are a lot of variants of the tune, and the first ones I heard were just straight dorian mode. It wasn't preserved
in Arabo-Andalusian tradition - the Arabized versions you hear have been reconstructed from, ultimately, the mediaeval manuscript. Which was
reasonably precise about pitch (rhythm, maybe not) but you could argue that anything that only differed from dorian mode by a few microtones was
fine.
Maybe huseyni might be a better fit?
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A modern transcription:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26385066/Alfonso-X-El-Sabio-Rosa-das-Rosa...
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Jack_Campin
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And despite the YouTube labels it's Christian, not Sephardic, and from well outside Andalus.
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Khalid_Salé
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Thanks very much for the information! 
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This sounds like Huseyni to me -- with out the flatted (1 comma) 2nd degree. Which makes it the Dorian mode on E, as you said. I really enjoyed the
performance.
Regards..Paul
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I like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZIkSOqPi-E
The way the oud counterpoints the voice is more Western than Arabic, but it's pretty convincing.
And it shows there are oud players in Serbia - any of them look in here?
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Hi Jack..thanks for the link, beautiful tune, and a beautiful group. The oud player sounds positively lute like, wow -- not sloppy at all, excellent
intonation.
Cheers..PaulO
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mrkmni
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The maqam names differs from east to west..
There is a big difference..
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This is Nahawand Kurdi on Bosalek - E ( E F# G A B C D E ) .
The C# is accidental , but managed to turn the Maqam into Nahawand Kabeer on E (E F# G A B C# D E ) .
This means that the second Tetrachord moved from Kurd on B to Nahawand on B .
Musicians : Try it yourself & tell us whether this is true !
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
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To my knowlage, there are 3 oudist who live and perform in Belgrade, capital of Serbia.
Here is one with more oriental flare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsV4BFQ_u5g
Ich bin ein Balkaner!
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Jack_Campin
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Wonderful stuff. It's like Bosnian sevdalinka but with a more Turkish feel. I had no idea this music existed - thanks!
The period pictrures of old Belgrade they use to illustrate their videos are superb.
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The Beogradska Calgija ensemble is REALLY interesting for me to hear, I wasn't aware of them thanks! As far as I know this old calgija style, not so
loosely defined as using instruments like clarinet, violin, ud, kanun and percussion with lots of unison singing came out of Skopje (now MK). It was
really a big thing there through the 30s and 40s or so?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CrtsAVM6DI
There are more recordings from this ensemble, probably recorded during the 70s. And by the way I believe there still is a calgija ensemble that plays
for the Macedonian State radio station (in addition to their Izvorno "folk" ensemble).
I love this stuff! It's probably what got me interested in playing Turkish music in the first place after having played more Macedonian village-ish
folk music.
So now I'm really curious about the history of Calgija in Beograd and I know just the place to ask and hope to report back soon 
Adam
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