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Glass-Fingerboard
Hi fellow oudists 
I found this on ebay.
Did anybody have experiences with glass-fingerboards? If so,I`d love to listen to a soundsample and read about.
The oud looks pretty professional, unfortunately Berlin is to far away for me to test it.
Cheers,
Marcus
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Hi Marcus!
I doubt that.
I would expect, that a glass fingerboard has similar sound characteristics as an aluminium fingerboard, which is sometimes used on fretless
guitars.
Combined with low action it should give a more buzzier (sitar like) tone.
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Chris
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You can see a video on the maker Ender Göktepe at:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xf7x39_ender-goktepe-atolye-calyym...
This link may also interest you:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=8390
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Greg
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Marcus
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Hi Aymara,
I expected a sitar-like tone as well, but as we can hear in the clips Greg posted it sounds quite oud-like or?
Hello Greg,
hmmm.......my turkish is very limited....near zero.....but the oud Mr.Celik play sounds perfect to me.
Anyhow, thank you for the links.
All the best,
Marcus
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Hi Marcus!
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I expected a sitar-like tone as well, but as we can hear in the clips Greg posted it sounds quite oud-like or?
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Did any of the ouds we hear in the videos have a glas fingerboard? I doubt that, but am not 100% shure.
The oud Mr. Çelik plays has an ebony fingerboard, not glas.
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Interesting !
Note that there are many old ouds with bone or ivory fingerboards, still they sound very oudy...
Dan
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| Quote: Originally posted by Danielo | Interesting !
Note that there are many old ouds with bone or ivory fingerboards, still they sound very oudy...
Dan |
Thats it, the soundboard and the body, and there the used material makes the characteristic sound of an oud and not the fingerboard.
If you use different materials, especially harder materials like ivory, you will of course have an effect to the sound, but never a basic changing.
The harder the material the harder / clearer the sound.
Marcus, did you try my maple oud when you visited the concert of JT in Badenweiler? This oud has a fingeboard with an artificial material as Mohammed
Fadhel used it on some instruments. If you played it, does it sound like an oud or not?
The material I used there is extremely hard.
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Hello Aymara,
can you explain this a bit more please. Why should a glass fingerboard produce more buzzing?
Matthias
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I used to own a Nazih Ghadban oud that featured a fingerboard made of some sort of modern resin compound. That too was a very hard substance, but it
did not make the instrument sound less like an oud.
Going by the reputation of the maker, the look of the oud from the pictures on eBay and the fact that it is equipped with such a competent pickup
system, this oud would seem to be a fairly good buy.
Marcus, are you able to get the seller to send you a sound file?
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Greg
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Hi Matthias
no, sadly I didn`t try your ouds in Badenweiler.I was to shy to play before
"the master" plays!!
Aymara, are you sure its not glass on the fingrboard of Mr.Celiks oud.
the one on ebay looks like ebony too, and I think Greg wouldn`t have post it if it is a "simple" ebony one.
Greg, I try to get a soundfile, and yes,seems like a good buy,I would do myself a Xmas-present if a) I could afford it b)I could store it somewhere
beside my other 12 stringed instruments
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Marcus
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| Quote: Originally posted by Greg | I used to own a Nazih Ghadban oud that featured a fingerboard made of some sort of modern resin compound. That too was a very hard substance, but it
did not make the instrument sound less like an oud.
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Hello Greg,
I'm sure that is the material I mentioned and which I used on my instruments. It is called Pertinax. This is the material where electronics are placed
on.
And as you said it, this does not change the sound away from an oud sound. If you all want to prove this, go to youtube and listen to records with
Raed Koshaba. His original Mohammed Fadhel instrument has such an material as fingerboard.
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Matthias
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Just to prevent some missunderstandings because in the old thread there are some things said which i still dont think they are correct.
Necati Celik's old oud is NOT a Sabri or Ender Göktepe oud but still i didnt manage to find it out. There are members of this forum ,who are/were
students from him and maybe know the answer..so please (Hank Levin, Adam are you there?)
Second the Ouds from Göktepe family are highly appreciated and used from a big number of professional players (mainly based in or around
Ankara).Names like Cinucen Tanrikorur,Bayram Cosküner, Sedat Oytun just to mention some.
This glass-fingerboard Oud is something special and its sound is of course very oudy with very big sustain like you are going to see.The only problem
for me is that is bit heavier than other turkish ouds...
Some videos of the glass-fingerboard ouds are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yMSSLaMZk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLXavgPBmNk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfCFlJiUcWU&feature=related
enjoy
Nikos
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Hi again everybody!
Matthias, buzzing might be the wrong word. I carried some experiences with fretless basses over to this topic ... but regarding the glass fingerboard
it's speculation.
Some fretless bass players like Jeff Schmidt prefer fingerboards made of very hard, glossy materials like the Pedula Pentabuzz in the video. This surface produces a very
pronounced Mwah ... that's this fretless tone Jaco Pastorius made famous. BTW ... Jeff plays a picollo bass ... tuned way higher.
And this Mwah sound is, what I meant ... I was able to produce Mwah also on my oud's wound strings and the lower the action and the harder and
smoother the fingerboard, the easier it's to produce and the louder it is.
You can hear the Mwah in THIS video, which Niko posted above.
95% 
Shouldn't a glas fingerboard look glossy ... this fingerboard is mat and looks very much like ebony.
Maybe I'm wrong?
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If I understood Greg right, he just wanted to give us information about the luthier.
I would expect them to be really neck heavy.
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Some videos of the glass-fingerboard ouds are
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Wow, what a fantastic sound 
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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Chris,
You are right. I posted the links as a reference to the luthier only.
Your link to Jeff Schmidt is much appreciated. What a great player. I understand what you mean about the 'Mwah' sound. It is hard to use written
language to express how something sounds. Is it a 'Mwah' or a 'Pwang'? 
I sometimes invoke this sound on the bass strings of my (ebony fingerboard) Faruk Türünz oud, but I always feel I shouldn't be doing so, as it is
not an authentic eastern sound. I do it because I like it and I'm not an authentic eastern musician.
Nikos, thanks for the links to the glass fingerboard ouds being played. I note they are all from the same location and, I presume, use the same
recording method. Perhaps that's why the sound on all those links is so similar and so 'brittle'. Is that sound caused by the glass fingerboard or
the overall design of the instrument? Who knows!
It's not a sound I would want from an oud, but that's my personal taste.
Greetings Matthius, thanks for your clarification on the subject of Pertinax.
Warm regards to all.
Greg
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Hi Greg!
Yes, and an interesting musician, who plays many different styles ... but he seems most successful in composing music for computer games.
Though it's off-topic ... but because you liked Jeff's playing, you should become to know Michael Manring too. Here we see a similar fingerboard ... but a very different bass
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Is it a 'Mwah' or a 'Pwang'?
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Though a strange term, Mwah became very common in bass player forums to discribe this specific tone.
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..., but I always feel I shouldn't be doing so, as it is not an authentic eastern sound.
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Well, I never was a traditionalist and will never be ... I'm more a pioneer type of guy ... always searching for something new even when using
something old
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Is that sound caused by the glass fingerboard or the overall design of the instrument? Who knows!
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I would expect it to be a matter of the overall design.
Greetings from Germany
Chris
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