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sabbassi
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building five new ouds
Hi Guys,
I would like to share with you the build progress of my new ouds. one have already fnished bowl: Wenge.
the others are from left to the right.
Indian roswood, Moroccan Flamed walnut, Walnut/Paduk and Mahogany/paduk
I will post more pictures as I progress.
Best regards, Samir
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hehe, nice, thats a lot of work to be doing at once!
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sabbassi
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It is lot of work, I have not been working lot in the winter. but Now the sun is shining, cold beer etc...
I enjoy making the ouds listening to Abduwahab or Sunabti..
thanks mate.
Best regards, Samir
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Brian Prunka
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Nice!
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Wow man
That seems to be a lot of work...
Good luck
Yaron.
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Hello Samir,
A friend of mine brought back from Casablanca an oud made by Khalid Belhaiba. The bowl is made of a very nice walnut. Is it the same one you are using
on yours. If yes, it is a very nice one.
Can't wait to see the work in progress.
Robert
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sabbassi
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Hi Robert,
Yes it is the same. it's funny I bought it for khalid myself for both of us from Marrakech. Moroccan walnut is so beautiful and flamed is very rare.
the Moroccan walnut is rarely find outside the county because the tree is an Endangered species, so a very small quality is sold.
thanks
samir
Best regards, Samir
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sabbassi
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Update
After 2 rolls of tape and lot of Titebond glue, 4 Bowls are finished. the last oud still need the last Rib.
So far so good, every things goes smooth. The Padouk was hard to bend but with lot of heat and steam it was possible.
The padouk is known of its good sound charachterisques and very nice in combination with Walnut and Mahogany.
Best regards, Samir
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wow, samir this looks very nice
and i love paduk
i have one turkish oud with paduk/walnut
it is so nice....
best regards
mourad
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Wow sabbassi,
You're a hard working animal! Congrats. Keep up it. I'd like to see how they turn out.
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Five ladybirds in Amsterdam !
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sabbassi
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Thank guys I was very busy this nights. now that the first step is done
.pppffffffffff. I can concentrate on the soundbaord, braces etc.
4 ouds will be mounted on European spruce tops.
1 on American ceder.
By the way all this oud will be for sale at the end.
Best regards, Samir
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sabbassi
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cleaning the bowl, paper stripes and Animal glue
The bowls are cleaned and scraped inside. Some Naphte is used to check any irregularity and remove any glue or bumps.
The stripes are cut from a cement bag, very strong for the rib joints.
Hot Animal glue is applied and the stripes are in place
Best regards, Samir
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brother samir are these ouds going to be floating bridge ? and can you also put pickup in them
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Edward Powell
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Great Work Sabbassi --
can you explain a bit about how you process the ribs before gluing? I notice that you don't use a mold... so how do you make 100% sure that you
have the shape and curve correct? Obviously you have it correct because your backs look perfect - but I well know from experience that even a slight
imperfection will throw the whole thing off.
Lately I have been doing it without a mold, but making sure each rib is the perfect shape and curve - this works but is very time consuming --- I am
just wondering if you have a better way to do it - thanks!
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Hi Edward
very good question. that is the freedome of free mold, it gives you any shape you like. If you follow some mathematic and appriximation shape bending,
it is the most easy way .
At the end, the left and right side are exact when placing the sound board. that is the sound board that correct the last mm if not already done by
mounting. always trace with a pencile one half side of the bowl on the sondboard. when done use a piece of paper, take the same curve you made with
the pencel and cut the paper, flip it the other side and trace the paper to the other side of the soundboard. you have now exact and symetric
sounadboard. when you puch it to the bowl, the bowl will be correct it by itself, offcourse if both sides are as close as possible(could be bit smalle
or larger)
now how to get this to sides as close as possible: before the ribs are bent, they are cut exact the same lenght, and a ligne is drawn anywhere
horizantal on this ribs. you mark them left and right ribs as reference. the line we draw is the key, when glueing the ribs this lines should meet
again . and offcourse you devide and trace the back and neck by exactly 19 dots
so that each ribs goes exactly in its own block.
and offcourse bending the ribs as close as possible and they should rest on top of eachother without any pushing or puling.
having the right shape(curve) of the ribs is also important. but as they say in french: c’est en forgeant qu’on devient forgeron
Best regards, Samir
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...thanks, yes this is pretty much how I am doing it... however on my last instrument I didn't even mount the block.
I simply made 10 ribs EXACTLY the same size and curve, then I glued them together one by one WITHOUT ANY NECK AND TAIL BLOCKS, using contact cement.
This total gluing process only took about 30 - 60 minutes. Then once I could see that the ribs were properly glued, then I ran thin CA glue (super
glue) along each glue line - to soak into the contact cement and create a truly permanent glue job... after that I glued the blocks in, and all
the rest.
I am not suggesting anyone make an oud this way, but this instrument was a rather complicated affair so it just seemed easiest to do it this way.
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afterthought:
Do you know if Khalid makes his bowls this way (without a mold)? I sort of doubt it... in fact, I would guess that he doesn't make the bowls
himself anymore. I think most oud makers don't make the bowls themselves. In fact I never met an oud maker that makes his own bowls (even sitar makers
in India often don't make their own bodies --- ) - - - can you imagine some famous guitar maker NOT making the body himself!!?
Anyway, I often wonder what the actually technique is for making the bowl with a mold. I spent 7 months in FARUK's workshop and watched Yusuf making
bowls day in day out, but never once stopped to ask him exactly how he does it. It seems to me that he bends all of the ribs at once in a mass-bending
machine and this give the basic general shape. Then he takes one rib at a time and just roughly - by eye - cuts the basic shape with a bandsaw ---
then he drags the rib across and inverted long jack plane.... then tests it on the mold - I guess he is looking at the lines on the mold for each
rib, and continues to plane the edges and tweek the bending until it fits snug on the mold and follows the line that that rib is supposed to follow -
- - then glues it on---- then repeat repeat repeat... so I guess this is how he does it. [if anyone can add something to this - please do]
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sabbassi
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Edward,
In this case Khalid Belhaiba is the only one . yes He is making every bit by
hand, even the bowls. he is the one who have teached me. And he have an increddible eye for detail.
the way you described Faruk way, is simillar to the one I do. tweaking and testing.
Best regards, Samir
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Edward Powell
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so Khalid is not using a mold?
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sabbassi
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No, No mold.
http://www.belhaibaoud.com/gallery1/dscn1267.jpg
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hmmm
does he bend all the ribs at once on a big multi electric bender?
how long does it take him to build one back?
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he does not use any electrical bender. he use a under heated iron oval thing on the top of a gaz bottle. and bend by hand. he bend the whole oud at
one time. he could build 1 bowl in 1 day, but he mostly build 3 or 4 in a week or so because he is busy with other things. also depend on the weather.
in hot climate, the glue harden and cure very fast. in the winter it take longer.
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Quote: Originally posted by sabbassi  | he does not use any electrical bender. he use a under heated iron oval thing on the top of a gaz bottle. and bend by hand. he bend the whole oud at
one time. he could build 1 bowl in 1 day, but he mostly build 3 or 4 in a week or so because he is busy with other things. also depend on the weather.
in hot climate, the glue harden and cure very fast. in the winter it take longer.
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wow, one in one day... that is very fast. I know Yusuf build two in 3 days. He used to build them faster but less accurate - but Faruk told him to
slow down and build them perfectly (which he does) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThXwKuf_WRQ
I have another question about Khalid:
- the most amazing thing I noticed about Khalid - which is something I have NEVER seen in ANY other instrument maker or woodworker in the world in my
life is how he used a cabinet scraper. He would just hold it in his hand like he would hold a credit card and then gently stroke the wood surface with
this "card" and off would come need little curly shavings of wood. Totally effortless and totally clean - no dust - no sandpaper - no heavy 2 handed
scraper technique... incredibly effective and graceful.
My question -- HOW DOES KHALID SHARPEN HIS SCRAPERS TO GET THEM SO SHARP??? He must re-sharpen them almost every day, no???
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hello everybody i can say buy a oud made buy sabbassi im very happy with the one i bought from him everyone that has played it loves it sound bright
midrange is great awsome bass .. All in All fantastic oud for the price I would buy another one of his ouds with my eyes shut... THANX SAMIR
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