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samir
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movable bridge
hi
i am new here
i am an oud maker and player
i like to read your opinions about the oud with movable bridge,i prefer it for many reasons..
regards
samir
oud-samir
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oudplayer
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hi samir tehy are really lovly ouds are they for sale?
thx sammy
and sound files
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david
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 Hey Samir, those ouds look great! Tell these guys more about your ouds.
If you guys want to see one of Samirs older ouds(1996) take a look at the file sharing page. You'll see his signature pickgaurd.
I love that oud Samir it sounds incredible! Take care and keep up the good work.
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LeeVaris
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Floating Bridge Sound
I am no expert but one thing i've noticed from playing my Yaroub Bashir is that it seems to respond a little better to dynamics. I think this may
be one of the benefits – strike it harder and it gets louder, strike really hard and it gets louder still. My other ouds have warmer somewhat
rounder tones but nothing compares to the way the Bashir just rings out when you play hard. Tell us more about your ouds Samir
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Jameel
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Ahlan wa Sahlan, Samir.
It's about time! 
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Faladel
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Hi Samir :
Nice Ouds ¿Can you post sound??
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samir
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modern oud
hi
thanx for replys
the movable bridge increse durability and gives the same sound quality for basic and high tones with greater power.and helps for stable tuning i
think.it reduces the deformations of the sound board.
thanx
here you can find more:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/oud-samir/files/
oud-samir
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LeeVaris
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Your Ouds
I couldn't access your "files" because I'm not a member of your Yahoo group. Could you tell us a little more about
"deformations of the sound board". The sound file you posted was a little distorted ( very loud - high level) - I am developing a great
appreciation for the floating bridge design and I'm interested in your approach. Your designs are quite attractive! I'm interested in
7-course ouds with shorter scale lengths.
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samir
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deformations
the traditional stile of oud may allow some deformations in the soundboard cause the tension is concentrated sharply near the sticked bridge(torsion
load)
this may shorten the length of the sound board and stretch the width(with some cracks sometimes)
while in the modern one its effect is just little pressure localy..
oud-samir
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LeeVaris
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Gaps in the bridge
I notice that your bridge has gaps at the base where it meets the soundboard. I've noticed similar features on guitar and bouzouki bridges. What
effect does this have on the transfer of the string vibrations to the sounboard?
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samir
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gaps
the dimentions and thickness of the bridge must be made carefuly ..the gaps help to remove the metalic nature of the sound and make it more clear
..the three feet doublicate the effect ..i tried alot of solutions to reach this design..
oud-samir
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Faladel
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Hi Samir:
¿ do you receive my E-Mail
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sydney
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Hello Eng. Samir
Your ouds look nice and sound great too.
Please give us some prices and more details.
Also a question for you ..
Can any oud be converted to movable bridge oud?
Regards,
Emad from sydney
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samir
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any oud can be converted to movable bridge , but the results may not be as we expect . that is because the design begins frome the first step on
building oud..
the prices are between 300 and 500 USD
the shipping cost must be added if any..
thanx
samir
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sydney
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Hello again
Eng. Samir
Thank you for your fast reply,
In case of converting a normal oud to movable bridge, is there a location to place the bridge on to start with? or is it just a trial and error
thing?
about your ouds, Is there a gallery to select from? Please tell us more in regards to ordering oud from you.
Thank
Emad
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Elie Riachi
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Hello Samir,
What type of bracing pattern or patterns do you use in the ouds you build, if you do not mind telling?
Also, I have a hypothis: the cut away arches make the bridge lighter and hence there would be less resistance to vibrate which would promote sound
that is richer in the harmonics generated by the wood of the oud rather than being more from just the string vibrating. The more the string
dominates, the more metallic the sound gets (I think!). Anyway, this would be in agreement with your experience regarding the cautaway arches in the
bridge producing a less metallic sound.
Is the floating bridge glued to the soundboard or is it truely a floating bridge (does come off when changing strings)?
Regards,
Elie
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sydney
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Elie
how are you man?
It is interesting topic isn't it?
I like the idea of converting one of my ouds to movable bridge style.
I thought it's called movable which means it not fixed to the sound board. What do you think? should it be fixed ?
Regards,
Emad
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samir
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sure
hi friends
if you changed the bridge to floating one you would not lose anything from the sound and may be be you will get additional benifits .so, go ahead..
the bridge must NOT be glued..
Elie: i agree with you..
all: no stores sell my ouds..i have no contact with any of them till now..i send them usualy by DHL.(high cost shipping!!!!)..
love to all
oud-samir
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sydney
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Location
Hello Eng. Samir
We thank you for your information.
I actually wanted to know since the bridge must not be glued, then where should it be placed? Is there a distance to measure from the nut down for
example?
Thanks
Emad
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Elie Riachi
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sydney
I thought it's called movable which means it not fixed to the sound board. What do you think? should it be fixed ?
Emad |
Hello Emad,
I am well thank you.
As you know I am not an authority on oud building (Samir may want to add more), but here are my thoughts: As far as floating bridges go, I guess they
are not glued just like the violins.
An advantage to not being glued would be not having the layer of glue between the bridge and soundboard, so more of the viration energy is transfered
to the soundboard.
I am almost certain that there is a "sweet" spot that the floating bridge must be placed over just like the fixed bridge, and that probably
depends on the length of the soundboard.
As for converting a fixed to floating: the fixed pulls up while the floating pushes down on the soundboard, so I would think different bracing systems
work best for each. The floating bridge, depending on its location might have to be slightly taller to compensate for the pushing down on the
soundbaord and possibly making the action too low.
A floating bridge may require higher tension string setting to obtain same loudness???
On the other hand, a floating bridge, make a nice clean scale length.
If I could have two, I would get one of each. But not having tried the floating and based on my reasoning, I think I would stay with the fixed bridge
for just one oud.
Regards,
Elie
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Dr. Oud
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Samir aziz,
The oud in your last picture appears to have a bent face, but the others are not so obvious. Do you angle the face gradually like the modern Fadels
or bend the face below the bridge to get the string angle on the bridge? Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
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sydney
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Hello Elie
It's good to hear from you mate,
I thank you for your good opinion. I am thinking the same too.
Going by your opinion and also the advice from my friend Greg Marsh - I guess it's not a safe idea to convert normal oud to floating bridge
style.
Be well Elie
regards,
Emad
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samir
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my advice
hi
i changed alot of ordinary bridges to floating ones and got good results.(just tell me who made your oud , i may give an advice ..) ..
the distance is 2 times the neck length measured from its end and going down..as in the attached pic..( L = 2 times the neck..)
elie : good ideas ..it is not essential to make it very high..
it is recommended to make special arrangment for the braces when the oud is being build..
in fact i developed a special way for preparing and fixing the soundboard to the body..since 4 years..
richard:i made the bent soundboard according to the requirments of his owner,but i dont like to apply this way on ouds..i tried it several times
before that..
i bent it before fixing ( not gradually..the owner wanted that way??!!), with some pressure and heat ,not below the bridge , but between it and the
down edge of the soundboard( although i dont agree!!!!) the flat surface is better..
regards
samir
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Elie Riachi
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Samir, can you tell the bracing secrets
Hi Samir,
Can you tell the secrets of how you determine the size, pattern and position of the bracing for people interested in building their own oud? Or will
the oud makers send a flying monkey to kill you? Or will you have to kill us if you tell us? 
Thanks,
Elie
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LeeVaris
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Scale length
It seems like the oud in your last recording is tuned CFAdgc - what scale length do you use for your ouds - 61cm?
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