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[*] posted on 4-2-2012 at 01:22 PM
Why is Naseer Shamma's tuning not standard


I have his Luth de Bagdad album and his Maqmat Ziryab album, in both his oud is tuned slightly higher than standard, why does he do this?
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[*] posted on 4-3-2012 at 05:01 PM


his is the standard iraqi tuning with the lowest string a G and the highest an ff,,,there are many other players that use this tuning,,
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[*] posted on 4-3-2012 at 11:29 PM


My understanding is that Naseer Shamma tunes his oud FCDGCF (low to high)
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 12:29 AM


Sorry I meant that his tuning does not hit standard frequencies. Each open string is tuned a few cents higher than "normal". So for example a piano cannot accompany him because the two will be out of tune.
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 05:45 AM


maybe he doesn't like piano players....;)
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 06:14 AM


Perhaps he doesn't have perfect pitch and just tunes the oud to itself by ear?
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 10:30 AM


To my understanding historically arab musicians would tune their instruments to the singers voice so the concept of perfect pitch is not relevant.
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 10:54 AM


That's what I've heard as well. I'm aware of quite a few recordings where the tuning is between semitones.
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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 12:19 PM


Perhaps he wants to make it more difficult for people to learn his music . . .



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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 01:22 PM


well, Mr. Shamma's tuning works fine at the provos (open rehearsals for the students), that's all i can say)
maybe it's a bit higher at his albums, but it's not a problem playing when listening to them, either...:rolleyes:
but i ain't no perfect pitch guy....




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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 01:23 PM


and yes, the iraqi oud's strings tension is higher, too. maybe, that's the point...



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[*] posted on 4-4-2012 at 01:45 PM


often times an instrument will respond to certain frequencies that are not standard A-440...if you are playing solo it is not a problem to be a little sharp or flat of standard pitch as long as you are in tune with yourself....it becomes more important if you are playing with an ensemble to agree on the "standard"-- more often it is 440 but many singers will choose a pitch that is comfortable for their range...be aware that standard A 440 is a modern frequency to accommodate western style orchestras to project more volume-- the standard pitch has risen over the centuries...
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[*] posted on 4-6-2012 at 07:25 AM


Has to be because Chuck Norris told him to... no other explanation.



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[*] posted on 4-6-2012 at 08:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada  
Has to be because Chuck Norris told him to... no other explanation.


Samir, you crack me up. :))




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[*] posted on 4-6-2012 at 05:08 PM


>Perhaps the difference in sound is due to the instrument, I know that Maurice Ouds (which is where I >believe Mr Shamma gets his ouds) have a very particular tone and quality to them. My
In fact, the Beit has its own oud master, as well as an oud shop.
But yes, I've seen a couple of Shehatas there.
And the tunings... people here experiment with them, too.
The 7 string one is good thing. Sometimes they drop the 6th F to C on a 6 string one, too.




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