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...and miss all the excitement? Nah, I'll just have a pint once in a while and watch this unfold. Seriously though, I would never have thought it
possible to restore something in this condition. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. -Roy
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Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud  | | the back ribs are too hard for cedar. maple/poplar/some kinda hard light colored wood. Ronny did send me some Lebanese cedar, at least he said so.
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Great Richard!
It will be very nice and as always very interesting to follow one of your projects.
I bought the Lebanon cedar from a French instrument maker who has purchased a stock of tonewood in the Middle East many years ago.
Best wishes
Ronny
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Thanks for the tonewood, Ronny. I have done some patching and decided to re-line the inside seams to stabilize the bowel. This will allow me to
flatten the spruing seams with my iron to level the outer surface. Then I will begin to add the missing ribs.
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I added one rib, patched some holes and have concluded that the body has been stretched out too much. The top surfaces of the neck and tail block are
misaligned front to back, and the ribs are turning in at their top edge. The width unclamped is about 14in/35.5cm, not too narrow, but those top edges
and the the top surfaces won't do. With the clamp applied to align the top surfaces, it's 15in/38cm not too wide, and the top edges of the ribs are in
a better position.
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Here's the back together. Some ribs alignment and stain to match yet to be done, but it's together at last. I added 3 ribs, but the top rib ended up
rather short just to make it level. The tail block remnant indicates that the original top ribs were pretty slim anyway. I had to trim the neck block
down to align with the tail, so this is the result. Not really that unusual for arabic ouds. Oh well.
[file]31585[/file] [file]31587[/file]
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Dr. Oud
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Calling all Calligraphers 
I'm starting the face and would like to make a shams (rose) with a center medallion of the maker's name, similar to the Nahhats for example. So if
there is an artist among you who can design the name into a connected medallion ->
< Baseel Altonji >(in arabic of course) 20 - 30mm (1-1 1/4in) diameter.
Please submit graphic files in AI, .jpg, .doc, pdf, whatever to me, richard@droud.com. The selected entry will get credit on the label, or maybe some
compensation or a discount toward purchase or service from Dr. Oud, plus my undying gratitude..
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Dear Richard
send you the grafic
Oud Player
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Ok, now I have a dilemma (or is it a conundrum?) The Altonji body length is 560 mm. Now I have a brace layout from a 1880 Ikwan Nahhat, the closest in
time and space to the 1889 Altonji. The Ikwan body is shorter (520mm), so I calculated the ratio and located braces and bridge accordingly. So now the
length(Altonji) from neck block to the bridge is 470mm. Well the neck is only 198mm, or 35mm short of the 1/3 ratio to locate a fifth at the body
joint. Relocating the braces to make the 1:3 string length ratio places the bridge too high in the face. So should I proceed with the calculated brace
locations? Lengthen the neck by 37mm? (not gonna happen). Shorten the body by 88mm? (just kidding). I think this oud is just gonna have to be outside
the 1:3 ratio box. Oh well.....
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud | Calling all Calligraphers
I'm starting the face and would like to make a shams (rose) with a center medallion of the maker's name, similar to the Nahhats for example. So if
there is an artist among you who can design the name into a connected medallion -> ....
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I received a fax sent to my email inbox, unfortunately I could not open the fax (banned content) and have no return address for the sender. Please
submit files as native graphic images, no faxes, please.
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Alfaraby
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Is this good enough ?
Yours indeed,
Alfaraby
[file]31828[/file]
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Isn't this old oud an example of one based upon the ancient proportion of neck length being 1/4 of overall length (rather than the neck length being
1/3 string length)? This would make a string length of about 67.5 cm. Some earlier discussion here:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=6286&pa...
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Dr. Oud
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Very nice, thank you so much.
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I believe so. With the Ikwan brace layout the string length is 668mm. Thank you for you expert info.
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Alfaraby
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Most welcome.
HQ ai, psd, pdf files shall be sent to you shortly.
Good luck 
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
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Dr. Oud
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No need my friend, the image you sent is .jpg and already scaled and printed. I may modify the calligraphy somewhat to connect some fragile sections,
but it is beautiful, thank you. I may modify as well the outer design to a design similar to the Ikwan, just to be more contemporary with its time
period. I will credit you on the repair label for all your excellent design.
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Alfaraby
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Don't mention it at all pal.
OMG ! Please don't ! You may modify the design as a whole, but don't touch the calligraphy. Any small change shall make a big difference.
Pay attention this's Allepo not Damascus, so no Nahat design is really welcome there. This should be strictly kept in mind.
Any how, here's the famous Nahat Maqamat rose with Tonjy's name.
Hope you like this as well.
If you need more, I'm here.
Are you going to cut it manually or by laser ?
Good luck either way
Yours indeed
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Dr. Oud
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I like the Maqmat design very much, although I might delete one of the rings around the center, I mean it looks redundant, no? I will cut it manually,
laminated bone on wood. Thanks again and for the local iinformation. Is the Maqmat design acceptable in Allepo? I would be grateful for your guidance
to select an appropriate design.
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Hi Richard
The original images show a small hole in the neck block that I originally thought might have been a nail hole (for attaching the neck + glue - as in
European luthier practice). Yet with the neck removed the hole on the other side - of much larger diameter - suggests that the neck is attached with a
wooden dowel that (for some reason) does not extend the full depth of the neck block? Perhaps the small hole then is just a vent to allow surplus glue
to escape when attaching the neck?
Just a point of detail only of significance to luthiers
Thanks
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The dowel hole does go clear thru the neck block. I don't know why a nail in the neck, perhaps a misguided attempt to repair a loose neck?
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Alfaraby
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No Sir ! The maqamat design has been adopted and/or adapted by Abdo Usta: to the core Damascene maker & design. The same as to the famous
Ottoman Toghra, though rarely seen on Aleppo's ouds also. (look at George Hayek's 1912).
I gave a try because you mentioned Nahhat and the period of time they both worked: late 1800's.
To be honest, I'd set aside both designs and stick to less "sophisticated" design, such as the attached George Hayek's design from the early
1900's.
Herewith is a 100% Aleppian design.
Take a close look.
I'd dare to suggest laser for the precision it assures and the time it spares. Use this time for another great restoration of yours.
His beatitude monsignor Abdo George Nahhat himself used to hire craftsmen to carry out his rosettes and inlays. So feel free with this issue.
P.S. As to your reward offer, thank you kindly, but I make these designs gratis, on the house, especially when you're 8000 miles away; but I'd accept
this oud in particular
Yours indeed
Alfaraby
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Thank you for your generosity and effort, my friend. I like the Allepo 2 design and will incorporate it as best I can. I still want to hand cut it or
if I could find some cheap skilled labor I'd use them. Laser just leaves me with a bad feeling, its too sterile. i like the lopsided, asymmetrical
funky look of a handmade rose. To me the rose is like a signature, and if it's done by a machine, it loses the personal aspect. A handmade rose
imparts a feeling of commitment of the builder. I've seen molded roses as well, just awful.
I don't have any of those ouds to give, and with all respect, I'm not sure I would trade one for a rose design.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by Dr. Oud | | I don't have any of those ouds to give, and with all respect, I'm not sure I would trade one for a rose design |
Where's your sense of humor ? 
Come on Doc. ! did you really take it seriously ?
On regular basis, I'm the one who gives & not vise versa 
Good luck with the rosette. I agree that hand made rosettes are precious, per se.
Please show me the final product before putting it on.
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Richard - you say that the dowel hole goes clear through the neck block yet in your image of the hole viewed from the neck side of the neck block I do
not see daylight at the other end.
Also Ronny's original image of the neck block, viewed from the inside of the bowl, seems to show only a small hole (that I took to be a nail hole) -
not the end of a dowel poking through?
Now I am confused!
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it is the end of the dowel hole, not all the way through after all, but daylight at the end of the hole.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alfaraby | ...
Come on Doc. ! did you really take it seriously ?
On regular basis, I'm the one who gives & not vise versa
Good luck with the rosette. I agree that hand made rosettes are precious, per se.
Please show me the final product before putting it on.
Yours indeed
Alfaraby |
No I didn't take it seriously actually. I do appreciate your contributions and particularly your input an the history of the Nahhat family, it was
very helpful and I appreciate it very much. I will surely show the rose prior to installation for your inspection and approval.
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