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[*] posted on 11-23-2014 at 03:22 AM
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Does anyone know anything about Mohamed Amjad, Naser Omar, Abdullah Asad, Abood Ayman? They are all oud players on a VA album, but I can't find any information on them anyway. Not their nationality, nothing. It's very strange. Even the label, Culture Music, comes up with nothing.
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 06:20 AM


I'm adding to this again in the hope of getting this query some attention. I'm surprised, given the knowledgeable demographic of this forum, that no-one has heard of these four gentlemen. I'm almost starting to think that their names are fictional.
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 06:26 AM


I've never heard of any of them.



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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 07:34 AM


What is the name of the album? What sort of music do the Mystery Oudists play? Is it solo? Taqsim? Samai? Jazz? Oud Hip Hop? Does their playing resemble anyone else"s?
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 07:37 AM


what's VA?



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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 07:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada  
what's VA?


Good morning, Samir! It's usually the abbreviation of the state of Virginia. (As in Richmond, VA). It also is the initials of Virgin Airlines (fresh in my mind because I was on a VA flight yesterday). It also stands for Veterans Administration. There is a VA hospital near my home. But I think in this context it probably stands for "Various Artists". It must be a British thing as I've never heard of VA in Canada or the US.
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 07:56 AM


hehe Jody you crack me up,
we have Veterans Affairs in Canada which is a sometimes much maligned gvt Department to "support" veterans.

I don't know these various artists either :)




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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 12:00 PM


Not a word in Arabic on the net about these gentlemen !
I only found a clip of the circumcision of a newly born baby caled Abdallah Asad, which I assume is not what we are looking for. :)

There are hundreds of oud players around the world whom none of us has ever heard of any of them.
In my own hometown there are probably some I haven't heard or heard of.

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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 01:56 PM


Thanks for the responses, that was great. Here is the album:

https://itunes.apple.com/tm/album/oud-anthology/id927093748

The whole thing is also available on Spotify if that's your bag.

All taqsim style. Some of the tracks don't even list the maqam, they're just listed as Oud Solo 1, 2, 3 etc.

Here's a clip I found on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_GQEmMAyKQ

The uploader of the above video is given as "Various Artists - Topic". Which must be just the placeholder name that they didn't bother changing. Apparently I am the first person to visit that link in the fortnight since it was uploaded.
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 02:26 PM


The youtube link says: "This video is not available, sorry about that."
What if one does not have an account in itunes ? Is there a way to upload some samples of the work here, not via a link ?

Thanks again
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 02:40 PM


I did something naughty and recorded a track through Audacity. This is the first track by Naser Omar, just called Oud Taqasim.

I put it on Soundcloud because I know people have been able to access that from here before with no trouble. I'm not sure how to upload the file directly to here.

If Soundcloud want to slap my wrists, fine. Someone has to promote this material, when neither the label seems to exist nor the artists are known.

https://soundcloud.com/lysander-1/naser-omar-oud-taqasim/s-eVChw
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[*] posted on 11-25-2014 at 03:00 PM


No wonder no one have heard of ;)

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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 02:15 AM


Ah, what don't you like about it? Granted he's not Omar Bashir or Naseer Shamma but it's still quite decent, isn't it?
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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 08:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Lysander  
Ah, what don't you like about it? Granted he's not Omar Bashir or Naseer Shamma but it's still quite decent, isn't it?


There may be and will be differing opinions about the musical content and overall musicality. What is indisputable is the fact that this is an oud that has not been tuned.
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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 08:29 AM


Is the oud not tuned, or is the oud player not in tune....I wonder....?
Really painful...
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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 08:53 AM


Now that you come to mention it, I do notice something amiss there...
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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 09:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by oudistcamp  
Is the oud not tuned, or is the oud player not in tune....I wonder....?
Really painful...


As it is not for me to "second-guess" the intentions of a fellow musician on a public forum, I did not comment on the performance, which, in my opinion, is rough. But each pair of strings is tuned a long way from unison. That is what I meant by the oud not being tuned. This means that every note that is played is played at two different pitches. This includes open strings where there is no chance for mis-fingering.
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[*] posted on 11-26-2014 at 09:22 AM


I didn't find it as unpleasant as others here, some interesting modulations but its not a very accomplished professional player rather someone still learning their craft.

But really it appears a low budget recording made in one take with too much reverb. There are mistakes and it makes it sounds more like a practice take than something that should be published.

Also there are several non-professional oud players on these forums that are more accomplished :)




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[*] posted on 12-6-2014 at 12:37 PM


I like them. They have a rough and ready style I greatly favor. I can hear a personal, distinctive style, that I truly appreciate. And in any case, at least they managed to get something out there on record.....which is great for them and for whoever likes this kind of oudism. There's also to consider the important matter that, for most of the time, as Samir rightly pointed out, these recordings are done on a budget: more often than not, a tiny one. Mistakes happen, and there's simply no time to correct them. You might say: so why put it out? Would you turn down an offer to have your record out there just because the recording didn't go as smoothly as planned? I found the performances highly charming......
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[*] posted on 12-6-2014 at 02:54 PM


Giorgioud, thank you so much for your comment on this. I still find the recording enjoyable, though when I read some of the comments here I thought I "shouldn't" like it because it wasn't professional enough. There are mistakes made, and to some listeners here they are unlistenable [and unignorable out of unison strings] but I still enjoy it. Maybe my ear is not as attuned as some of those here, but I still like this humble record.
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