Don Z
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Nationalist sentiment on oud origin
I have some videos posted on another social media site. I was just "corrected" by someone who took offense to me using the term "Arabic " in one of my
posts. This person had some issues with the true origin of the oud . I don't know the true origin so only responded politely.
Do you all encounter friction on this? I've never heard anyone claim ultimate responsibility for the ouds creation.
Lol I don't want to cause any trouble!
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Jody Stecher
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If one can tolerate the acrimony it may be possible to win an argument about the Arabic origins of the oud and also the word Oud, Aoud, etc. But never
ever, whatever your opinion, begin or enter an argument about the origin of lahmedjun. :-)
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SamirCanada
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My dear Jody, the lahmeb'3ajin, is Arabic for "meat on dough"... lahmedjun is just an Armenian way of butchering the word.
On this topic there is no debate there either 
what's next Hummus is Israeli?
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Don Z
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So this person tells me oud was originally spelled "roud."
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Jody Stecher
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And where did this alleged roud originate? Venezuela? Finland perhaps?
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Lysander
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If you're arguing with anyone on a social media site [esp FB], I'd just quit the thread and forget the whole thing.
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majnuunNavid
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I've heard a bunch of origin theories about the Oud, and all of them are doubtful. Most refer to a Persian origin.
Undoubtedly, there was probably never ONE single instrument that everyone played that was known by one name... Barbat, Roud, Oud...
Okay, who cares if the Oud originated in Persia, it's barely used there even today... for all intensive purposes Arabs really created it.
I see this in comments sections on Youtube music videos all the time. There are pages filled with nationalist diarrhea commentary. Better to just
ignore all of it.
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Don Z
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Oh I agree completely. Im not interested in a vitriolic debate about what cou try may or may not have have done any pa r ticular thing. I was just
surpised to get called out like I was. Especially when I hadnt mentioned anything about the ouds origins. Oh well.
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This kind of garbage often come from people who don't play or know anything about the Oud.
The oud after all is older than any countries and older than many civilisations. So claiming any kind of nationalistic sentiment to it is quite
immature and most likely by a complexed individual.
Anyhow today, the oud has many nationalities and so that's why it exists under so many different forms from Turkish to Iraqi and the barbat. its what
makes it beautiful.
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This is actually a good thing in my opinion. several nations treat this instrument as a native and national instrument. This is why the oud is more
famous and developed than many other oriental instruments. This is also the reason of governmental support in many countries. so what the hell? let
everyone consider it as their national instrument.
The Oud is my life, n my life is the Oud
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Masel
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tough i would never call hummus israeli it is interesting to tell that in hebrew the plant is called himtza حمصة
חמצה, with the same letters as hummus.
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Music is global and should be appreciated by all and contributed to by all.
I do not get offended with this nonsense, but any one is entitled to their opinions.
Rock on 
Happy new year to all.
Hussam
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Don Z
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I'm with you ! I don't get offended either. Happy new year!
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BRAINOUD974
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Hi all,
I will simply say, the oud is there and we are all gathered in this forum because we love it, regardless of it's origin. Happy new year.
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Lysander
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Happy new year, everyone!
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mavrothis
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Happy new year! I feel lucky already, since I brought in the new year playing oud. 
We should probably spend more time thinking about where the oud is going rather than where it came from...right?
Enjoy!
mav
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Don Z
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Indeed!!
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