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[*] posted on 4-29-2015 at 01:26 AM
First Samai You've learn't


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i've been learning oud for a couple of months , i just recently managed to understand how to Read/Play Music notation and i decided to learn My first Samai , Am interested in Samai Rast by Tatyos efendi , i'll welcome any tips and am interested in your answer in this question , "What was your first Samai piece you've learnt ? " :buttrock:
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[*] posted on 4-29-2015 at 03:22 AM


I would have recommended Samai Bayati Qadeem first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNkMLJFdD2c
I'd say that Rast Tatyos is for Intermediate students
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[*] posted on 4-30-2015 at 09:08 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Alfaraby  
I would have recommended Samai Bayati Qadeem first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNkMLJFdD2c
I'd say that Rast Tatyos is for Intermediate students
Go ahead
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Alfaraby

I agree completely -- good choice. (The first song you should learn in 10/8 is "Lamma Bada," but this muwashah doesn't really qualify as a "samai" in my mind.) Once you are comfortable with the Samai Bayati Qadim, try Tatyos' Efendi's Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd ("Kurdilihicazkar Saz Semaisi" in Turkish).

I am no "non-Western meter" specialist myself. It just takes some practice and perserverance. I was going to perform the Tatyos Efendi piece a few weeks ago to a roomful of Turks, but after running the tune several times with my percussionist, decided I wasn't ready. :( Just keep working on it; you'll get the feel eventually. Also, try listening to a lot of samai recordings while following the score.

Good luck,
"Udi" John
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[*] posted on 4-30-2015 at 10:15 AM


Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd by Munir Bashir.
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[*] posted on 4-30-2015 at 03:18 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Alfaraby  
I would have recommended Samai Bayati Qadeem first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNkMLJFdD2c
I'd say that Rast Tatyos is for Intermediate students
Go ahead
Yours indeed
Alfaraby


i've kept listening to this the whole day , i like it .. i couldn't find the musical note for it but i've found another Oud Teacher , Tunisian apparently playing it
youtube link
any idea on where i could possibly get the note ? and thanks for the tip :D

Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich  
Quote: Originally posted by Alfaraby  
I would have recommended Samai Bayati Qadeem first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNkMLJFdD2c
I'd say that Rast Tatyos is for Intermediate students
Go ahead
Yours indeed
Alfaraby

I agree completely -- good choice. (The first song you should learn in 10/8 is "Lamma Bada," but this muwashah doesn't really qualify as a "samai" in my mind.) Once you are comfortable with the Samai Bayati Qadim, try Tatyos' Efendi's Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd ("Kurdilihicazkar Saz Semaisi" in Turkish).

I am no "non-Western meter" specialist myself. It just takes some practice and perserverance. I was going to perform the Tatyos Efendi piece a few weeks ago to a roomful of Turks, but after running the tune several times with my percussionist, decided I wasn't ready. :( Just keep working on it; you'll get the feel eventually. Also, try listening to a lot of samai recordings while following the score.

Good luck,
"Udi" John


I've learnt Lamma Bada around 2 Months ago , i Definitely still dont feel anything close to "comfortable" with a 10/8 meter , am putting alot of effort and time into oud lately , its all self taught so am thinking of getting a teacher soon to right all the wrongs am doing even though am doing my best not to pick up any bad habits .

Quote: Originally posted by Lysander  
Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd by Munir Bashir.


i personally , i Consider Munir Bashir the Greatest Oudist , i might change my opinion in the future but i hardly think so :D , i've listened to it before its great :airguitar:
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[*] posted on 4-30-2015 at 10:23 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lysander  
Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd by Munir Bashir.

Do you mean this one? If so, this is the only score I know of, and it's really hard to read. Do you have a cleaner score?
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[*] posted on 5-2-2015 at 01:57 AM


Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich  
Quote: Originally posted by Lysander  
Samai Hijaz Kar Kurd by Munir Bashir.

Do you mean this one? If so, this is the only score I know of, and it's really hard to read. Do you have a cleaner score?


Well, I have this:

https://www.noteflight.com/scores/view/6e8beaf363157235e67693132c33c...

But it's not ideal for the reason that the software does not support quartertones. You could always print it out and annotate it.

Does anyone have a recording of this samai? I have never heard one.
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[*] posted on 5-3-2015 at 03:47 PM


The first semai I learned was Samai Nahawand by Ali Jihad Racy.



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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 01:01 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Amos  
The first semai I learned was Samai Nahawand by Ali Jihad Racy.


Do you have a score of this? I have just finished looking at Music Making in the Arab World, truly one of the best sources for this kind of ethnomusicological theory I have come across.
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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 04:48 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Lysander  
Quote: Originally posted by Amos  
The first semai I learned was Samai Nahawand by Ali Jihad Racy.


Do you have a score of this? I have just finished looking at Music Making in the Arab World, truly one of the best sources for this kind of ethnomusicological theory I have come across.


I'm sure he wouldn't mind my sharing this:




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[*] posted on 5-4-2015 at 12:56 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Brian Prunka  


I'm sure he wouldn't mind my sharing this:


Excellent, thanks Brian. Something to look at when exams are over next week!
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