Mike's Oud Forums
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
 Pages:  1    3
Author: Subject: Oud handmade german style
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 8-18-2015 at 09:21 AM


Ah ok Thanks ! The finger board is about 3.5 mm thick. Do you think it is to much ? I'm able to compare to mandolins & guitars but have no idea how an elongated oud finger board should be like. :) I know that some luthiers make it inlay but I wanted it on top.
View user's profile View All Posts By User
SamirCanada
Moderator
******




Posts: 3348
Registered: 6-4-2004
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 8-18-2015 at 11:14 AM


Well its not a common thickness.

I would stick to 2mm myself at most. But really it depends on the angle of you neck, is your fingerboard 3.5mm from start to finish or is there a slope?

maybe brush up on the trigometrics, if your string height is about 1.2 cm and you are aiming for about 3mm string height at the neck joint will it work? I don't know, it depends... is your neck is bent backwards a few degrees or is it straight?

but the good thing is since you have a lot of material, you can always remove it until the strings are at the right height.




@samiroud Instagram
samiroudmaker@gmail.com
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 8-23-2015 at 03:30 AM


The fingerboard has 3.5mm overall thickness. The neck is straight and after I put on a string to test the height it came out that everything works fine !!

The strings at the nut are about 1mm above the board, at the neck joint 2.5-3mm and the bridge 1cm, tied to the block maybe 1.1cm.
I drilled the holes today and glued the bridge in place. I'll wait for two days before putting strings on.

Finally the oud will get its finish and will be playable next week.





Best regards

Hibari
--------------------------------------------------------
"If you spend to much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done. Make at least one definite
move daily toward your goal."
- Bruce Lee -
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 8-24-2015 at 11:30 AM


Today I finished the oud !! It turned out very nice, even if its far away from perfect ;)
Tomorrow I will put on the strings and tune it for the first time.
Maybe I let it set for a few days before tuning to full tension.
I think I will go CFADGC.

Here some pictures but high quality ones will follow.







Best regards

Hibari
--------------------------------------------------------
"If you spend to much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done. Make at least one definite
move daily toward your goal."
- Bruce Lee -
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 8-26-2015 at 12:29 PM


Thanks to all the members on this forum for sharing knowledge and information about the oud and its construction.
Extra "thank you - hugs" going out to the guys who helped me out actively on building this awesome instrument especially Samir and Mr Downing.
As I said there are some small cosmetic mistakes but nothing serious. For my first oud it is more than acceptable.

The sound (I never heard another oud live) is amazing ! Due to the large bowl it has some deep warm bass but also clear mids and heights.
I expected a nice authentic sound and was not disappointed by the result, it sounds like an oud !!! :)

The tuning is very comfortable with the machine heads. Also the oud finally doesn't feel un-balanced due to them.
I tuned it DGADGC

At last some pictures of the oud in its final shape.
The spruce top has got a wax finish and the body including neck and pegbox has an "superior german wood oil" finish. :D
These white dots on the neck are just tape to help me get by with fretless playing. :airguitar:















Best regards

Hibari
--------------------------------------------------------
"If you spend to much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done. Make at least one definite
move daily toward your goal."
- Bruce Lee -
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Microber
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 846
Registered: 1-20-2006
Location: Belgium - Lige
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 8-26-2015 at 12:53 PM


Dear Hibari,

This is a very nice and elegant oud.:applause:

Just a little restriction for me (and I'm sure i'm not the only one) the mechanical pegs.
For the next one, please use wooden pegs. ;) And it will be perfect.

Robert
View user's profile View All Posts By User
jdowning
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 3440
Registered: 8-2-2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 8-26-2015 at 02:53 PM


Congratulations and well done on your fine craftsmanship. Enjoy your new oud!
View user's profile View All Posts By User
BaniYazid
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 225
Registered: 8-20-2010
Location: France
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 8-30-2015 at 06:09 AM


Good job, thank you for sharing the process.
Let us hear the sound when the strings are settled.

View user's profile View All Posts By User
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 9-1-2015 at 09:10 AM


Thank you very much guys !! :)
I'm getting more and more familiar with playing the oud but I do not dare to record my try outs.
Next week a friend will try to play something worth to be recorded, then I can upload a sound file.

Everywhere I looked for strings, a warning advice caught my attention, that one should not tune an arabic oud to turkish tuning.
The instrument can be damaged due to not be created for the tension of turkish tuning.

That completely makes sense for me.
But where is the difference between these ouds in construction ? Is it just the floating bridge or is there anything else like stronger bracing etc.
I would be thankfull if anyone could answer this question.

Btw I purchased three different brands of strings: aquila, pyramid and d'addario.
I will try all of them, but if anyone knows which are the best.... :D




Best regards

Hibari
--------------------------------------------------------
"If you spend to much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done. Make at least one definite
move daily toward your goal."
- Bruce Lee -
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Matthias
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 473
Registered: 1-24-2007
Location: Badenweiler, Germany
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 9-1-2015 at 11:02 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Hibari-San  


Everywhere I looked for strings, a warning advice caught my attention, that one should not tune an arabic oud to turkish tuning.
The instrument can be damaged due to not be created for the tension of turkish tuning.

That completely makes sense for me.
But where is the difference between these ouds in construction ? Is it just the floating bridge or is there anything else like stronger bracing etc.
I would be thankfull if anyone could answer this question.


The reason is not the construction it is the fact that if you raise the tuning from arabic to turkish tuning the tension will be increased by around 6 Newton per string that means all in all 66 Newton more.
And if you use turkish string sets which have sometimes a higher tension, they are calculated for a turkish scale of 58,5 cm. On a arabic aoud with 60 or more scale you have additionally a raising of the tension.

Quote: Originally posted by Hibari-San  
Btw I purchased three different brands of strings: aquila, pyramid and d'addario.
I will try all of them, but if anyone knows which are the best.... :D


This will be a personal preference and also depends from the instrument and how they work on it.

Best regards

Matthias




Matthias Wagner
lutes - ouds - guitars & music-strings onlineshop
http://www.lutes-strings.de ( instruments )
http://www.music-strings.de ( strings )
http://www.facebook.com/Matth.Wagner
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ 9th Oriental music-summeracademy 1.8. - 4. 8. 2019
+ http://www.oriental-music-summeracademy.de
+ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4WC3bzeF38yuVfMGB8T1Vg/videos
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
Hibari-San
Oud Maniac
****




Posts: 78
Registered: 6-4-2015
Location: Germany / Leipzig
Member Is Offline

Mood: contented

[*] posted on 9-2-2015 at 07:14 AM


Hallo Matthias !
Danke fr die schnelle Antwort ! :wavey:

So does that mean if I want my next oud with turkish tuning, I just have to give it a shorter scale length ?
Is floating bridge more likely to be with turkish tuning ?

I wish we could meet at the summer music academy, but I have to work even at the weekend.
Anyway I wish you a nice time there !!




Best regards

Hibari
--------------------------------------------------------
"If you spend to much time thinking about a thing, you'll never get it done. Make at least one definite
move daily toward your goal."
- Bruce Lee -
View user's profile View All Posts By User
Matthias
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 473
Registered: 1-24-2007
Location: Badenweiler, Germany
Member Is Offline

Mood: No Mood

[*] posted on 9-2-2015 at 12:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Hibari-San  

I wish we could meet at the summer music academy, but I have to work even at the weekend.
Anyway I wish you a nice time there !!


Thats really a pitty, we have alot of aoud players here and we expect to have Mimmi Peruffo from Aquila as a guest on sunday.

If you get a chance to come, do it, you will not regret it.

See you?

Matthias




Matthias Wagner
lutes - ouds - guitars & music-strings onlineshop
http://www.lutes-strings.de ( instruments )
http://www.music-strings.de ( strings )
http://www.facebook.com/Matth.Wagner
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ 9th Oriental music-summeracademy 1.8. - 4. 8. 2019
+ http://www.oriental-music-summeracademy.de
+ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4WC3bzeF38yuVfMGB8T1Vg/videos
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
View user's profile Visit user's homepage View All Posts By User
rootsguitar
Oud Junkie
*****




Posts: 144
Registered: 7-12-2012
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 10-12-2015 at 05:43 PM


great photos & follow through! pleasure to see your work progress & looks very sharp.

hope to hear this oud too
View user's profile View All Posts By User
 Pages:  1    3

  Go To Top

Powered by XMB
XMB Forum Software © 2001-2011 The XMB Group