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[*] posted on 10-3-2017 at 01:42 PM
A medieval fusion oud/lute


I have wanted for a while to build an oud or lute based on some early medieval designs, and influenced by them but still capable of playing modern oud music. I am especially interested in creating a theoretical instrument from a time when the oud and lute were effectively the same instrument. Here I'll detail the build as I go. Firstly, here's my design choices and inspiration...



[img] From 1283, Alfono X's book of chess problems (the same king who commisioned the Cantigas de Santa Maria) has this nice lute with the same wavy inlay or soundholes as seen in the cantigas, but also a central soundhole with a floral or star pattern. I love the shape of this lute/oud, and also the patterned fingerboard. It almost looks as if the pattern may indicate fingering positions, although it could equally be purely a wood pattern, as was common on historical ouds/lutes seen especially in the cantigas.



A similar floral soundhole rose is seen in the Steeple Aston Cope tapestry, made from 1310-40 and now in the Victoria and Albert museum in London.

My instrument will have 5 courses. Many from around this time had 4 or 5.
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[*] posted on 10-12-2017 at 06:03 AM


Very nice project !

Here's a oud drawing from Fatimid Egypt, 11th century



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[*] posted on 10-15-2017 at 07:48 PM


Any updates?
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[*] posted on 10-16-2017 at 11:56 AM


my friend,
your dowel is not nearly long enough. that's furniture grade stuff you are using. it should be at least 3 inches in the neck and in the block. Also the neck block looks like plywood... maybe its best to use solid spruce for this.

I am afraid for the longevity of your instrument.




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[*] posted on 12-1-2017 at 04:50 AM


Hello friend !

You are very enthusiastic, thats good !
But keep in mind that it is not the number of instruments you build, but the quality of the instruments that makes you a good luthier.

Just take more time, this is no race, be patient. This forum also is dead so here's nothing to win.

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[*] posted on 12-28-2017 at 07:43 AM


What was rude in my post ? You didn't even say hello...

Anyhow I just wanted to say; take more time friend. Nothing offending at all.
Oh and one does improve by doing, practice AND patience ;)

Im outta here, sayonara fam !




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[*] posted on 12-28-2017 at 08:00 AM


Interesting pictures of these old ouds! I also find it fascinating that in the first picture it looks like a chess board game to the right. Wow, I didn't know chess has been around so long...

*Picture one has strings to bridge with F cuts in soundboard, and what looks like two very small openings(smaller than i have seen before)
*picture two has strings to base of oud(iraqi style), and one main soundboard hole.
*picture three(ceramic plate) has strings to base and two upper small soundholes as well. Weird placements.

Which model will you choose? :) Exciting to see what you make, and as always, please upload a sound sample as I'd Love to hear how you have competed it.
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