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[*] posted on 2-11-2018 at 10:29 AM
Fixed vs. Floating Bridge Strings


I have a 6 course Fadi Matta 60 cm scale fixed bridge oud. CFADGC
I am going to try some new Aquila strings on it.
http://www.oudstrings.com/index.php?route=product/product&produ...

I ordered a new 60 cm scale floating bridge oud from Fadi and it will be tuned the same CFADGC.
Can I use the same strings on my new oud. I don't know if floating bridge ouds need different strings than fixed.
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[*] posted on 2-15-2018 at 07:26 AM


Hello Zulu,

I also have a Fadi Matta 60 cm, but 7 courses.
I recently tried the Aquila set for oud you want to try and I found the tension was too low.
A floating bridge oud is able to support a higher tension than a fixed bridge one.
They generally sound better with higher tension. I think they are made for.
But personnally I prefer a not too much high tension. Because the oud tends to sound more like a guitar.
I have used Pyramid for Lute for years. And since 2 years or so I use the Aquila for lute. I am very satisfied with both. Each time I change my strings, I ajust the gauge according to the feeling of the previous set.
Also something important is that the Nylgut strings for lute are rectified (smoother surface). The ones in the oud set are plain (not rectified). The price is similar at Matthias Wagner or at Aquila website. About the double of the oud set of Aquila. I don’t know if Brian Prunka sells the Aquila for lute.

Here are the gauge I use :
------ Aquila------Pyramid
C-----260D-------PY1440
FF----190D-------PY1028
AA---145D-------PY1018
DD---104D-------PY1010
gg--- 82NNG-----PYNR0900
cc----62NNG-----PYNR0675

The tension is around 4kg, except fot the low C that I prefer higher.
You can find on the Aquila website a gauge converter with the Pyramid for lute.
https://aquilacorde.com/string-gauge-coverter/?lang=en

I hope all this will help you.

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[*] posted on 2-15-2018 at 06:22 PM


Robert,

Thanks so much for the info.
I've had others tell me to use LaBella Arabic Oud OU80A 12 String Set and to get rid of high ff and purchase a low C. It's been said that set is higher tension.
I love the rich low sound of my Fadi Matta fixed bridge oud and am exited to have another of his ouds with a different sound.




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[*] posted on 5-19-2019 at 10:20 AM


Robert thx for that Aquila/Pyramid comparison... What are using fir high ff in both cases?



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[*] posted on 5-19-2019 at 10:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Zulu  
... I don't know if floating bridge ouds need different strings than fixed.
Thanks.


Hello,

I wrote a text about string sets and tensions for an aoud. Have a look here:
https://www.music-strings.de/en/shop_content.php?coID=3210127

best regards

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[*] posted on 5-23-2019 at 01:34 AM


Quote: Originally posted by norumba  
Robert thx for that Aquila/Pyramid comparison... What are using fir high ff in both cases?


Hello,
Last time for high ff, I used NNG46 for Aquila which is equivalent to Pyramid PYNR0525.

The link to the converter table of Aquila site is broken. The new one is this one : http://aquilacorde.com/old/string-gauge-coverter/?lang=en

I also attache another converter table available on the Aquila site.

I hope it will help.

Robert

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[*] posted on 5-23-2019 at 07:52 AM


Thank you Robert that helps...
I just heard back from Aquila has I had questions about any differences in tensions on Both their oud sets. Interesting to note that the dimensions and therefore the tensions on AA to cc are the same in both sets:

These are the details of the diameters:



"Arabic Oud set - cod.13O

#1 cc synthetic 0.56 mm

#2 gg synthetic 0.74 mm

#3 dd synthetic 0.93 mm

#4 AA red wound 0.73 mm (approx)

#5 FF red wound 0.83 mm (approx)

#6 C red wound 1.24 mm (approx)





Iraqi Oud set - cod.61O

#1 ff synthetic 0.47 mm

#2 cc synthetic 0.56 mm

#3 gg synthetic 0.74 mm

#4 dd synthetic 0.93 mm

#5 AA red wound 0.73 mm (approx)

#6 F red wound 0.91 mm (approx)



The average tension for each string is around 3.4 kg "

I m encouraging Enrico at Aquila to make a low C available as a single.




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[*] posted on 5-24-2019 at 03:49 AM


Quote: Originally posted by norumba  


The average tension for each string is around 3.4 kg "

I m encouraging Enrico at Aquila to make a low C available as a single.


It will make a big difference, if you apply the strings to a 60 cm scale or a 57 cm scale. The difference will be approx .3 Kg.
So the question is to which scale AQUILA did calculate the new sets.

After I received recently the new sets from AQUILA to offer them in my shop I did also measure the diameters. Btw. it makes no sense to measure the wound strings, as that value will not help in any way.
I calculated the tensions for 60 & 57 scale and asked Mimmo to proove/confirm my calculations.
As far as I got a feedback, I will come to that topic here again.

The color of the strings is red and the plain strings are of a clear red. And an interesting point is the dd string, which is unwound. It's made of AQUILA's new material the "loaded Nylgut". That are his Nylgut strings which made specifically heavier by copper powder. The color of this string is a dark brown/red. You can see pictures of that set, especially of the dd strings here
6 sets are on stock.

best regards

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[*] posted on 5-24-2019 at 09:53 AM


Hi Matthias,
You're right in that diameter s on wound strings don't mean much in real life, so from a hands -on perspective, how thick is the new unwound D pair compared to their previous wound D? Specs seem it may be a little fat, but what's the reality?:)




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[*] posted on 5-24-2019 at 11:21 AM


Hi Stefan,

the diameter of that dd-string is
.93 mm = 0.93 gut = 1,05 mm Nylon = 0,82 Carbon

Best regards

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[*] posted on 7-26-2019 at 07:28 AM


Well I strung the oud with the new Aquila set and this new unwound D *broke* as I was bringing it up to tension.😠. Nut and bridge recently polished and filed for any burrs so it wasn't that. Didn't bring it up fast. Very disappointed and I've lost confidence in Aquila now. I have no spares so I ha e a one string D course at the moment.
Anyone else have issues with this new D string?




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