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[*] posted on 7-15-2019 at 05:21 PM
Hi! some questions! (and about ouds for smaller women)


Hi everybody!

My name's Bee, I live in Manchester in the U.K. . I play lots of instruments but have always dreamed of being able to play oud.

Sadly I didn't grow up in an oud house - although half of my family is Moroccan, my parents played Greek folk music so it was more bouzoukis than ouds around the house :) (and I had to find Gnawa for myself :D)

Anyway, after spending a long time trying to make my guitars sound as much like ouds as possible I took the chance and ordered a Zeryab Syrian oud from Arab Instruments.

I've tried my best to play it, but unfortunately it's just too big. I had my first lesson yesterday (with a teacher called Yasamin Shahhosseini who teaches via Rhythmitica (more Persian style)) and after a little bit, I noticed my arms and shoulders were aching.

This is something that has happened since I bought it, and I thought it was a technique thing, but I've realised I'm too small for it - I'm only 5 foot tall and have short arms and small hands! The instrument is very, very deep and I can't curl my picking arm around it at all.

So...here are my questions! I want to chalk this up as a misstep and get started properly, so I'm going to need to sell this oud and get another - but finding ouds in England is generally not possible, meaning that buying them involves importing, which means an inability to try before buying.

I've heard of zenne ouds, but they seem quite hard to find (and expensive). I emailed Thomann (the big German music store), who recommended me this:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/saz_tf10ah_arabic_flat_oud_hornb.htm?ref=i...

(Saz TF10AH Arabic Flat Oud)

I'm a bit suspicious of an oud that has a flat body but it seems like it be a good place to start considering finding smaller ouds over here is impossibly difficult.

I was wondering - does anyone have any thoughts on the above instrument? Or have any knowledge on where to find smaller ouds? Or even whether there are other types of oud that would work for my T-Rex arms?

I'm interested only in the Arabic style of instrument for now.

Thank you very much!
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[*] posted on 7-15-2019 at 08:33 PM


Michael Moussa is a maker of Arabic ouds in the UK. As far as I know he still lives in Darton, in South Yorkshire, just an hour from Manchester. Perhaps he can make an oud for you of just the right size. There are other possibilities. But since there is good luthier so near you, why not start there?

Here is the contact info

http://www.magicstrings.co.uk/contact.htm
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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 12:58 AM


Quote: Originally posted by beebeeveevee  

I've heard of zenne ouds, but they seem quite hard to find (and expensive). I emailed Thomann (the big German music store), who recommended me this:

https://www.thomann.de/gb/saz_tf10ah_arabic_flat_oud_hornb.htm?ref=i...

(Saz TF10AH Arabic Flat Oud)


Hello,

first of all it is really crazy that Thomann calls this Instrument SAZ....
This does not show to me a big understanding of that type of instrument.

And about Zenne Oud:
As far as I know a Zenne oud has a smaller scale than 60 cm. 60 is the standard scale of arabic ouds.
Since some time I have a smaller instrument by Manol in my focus. contact me through my website here: lutes-strings.de

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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 02:13 AM


Try to find someone local with a Persian barbat and see if that fits? I think they're the smallest of the standard oud types.



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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 09:08 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Jack_Campin  
Try to find someone local with a Persian barbat and see if that fits? I think they're the smallest of the standard oud types.


If you want to try the Persian barbat route, this web site has a list of Iranian luthiers: https://orientalinstruments.com/oriental-instruments/luthiers
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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 09:11 AM


Not that I like buying anything via Ebay (bad experience buying a Lebanese oud), but you could try contacting this seller to see if they have anything like this one already sold: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADAM-ARAB-STRING-INSTRUMENT-LONG-NECK-OUD...
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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 09:14 AM


I personally am an Arabic-style oud player, but I think Turkish flat-back uds are a bit more common, and, on the average, better crafted than Arabic ones. Here is an example, much like the one my former (female) student has: https://www.amazon.com/Turkish-Professional-Electric-String-Instrume...
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[*] posted on 7-18-2019 at 10:56 PM



"first of all it is really crazy that Thomann calls this Instrument SAZ...."

The turkish word "saz" only means "Instrument". The thing we use to call a saz is "baglama" in turkish.




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[*] posted on 7-21-2019 at 06:33 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Marcus  

"first of all it is really crazy that Thomann calls this Instrument SAZ...."

The turkish word "saz" only means "Instrument". The thing we use to call a saz is "baglama" in turkish.


Hello Marcus,

thanks for that clarification.

But I never came across that terminology. I checked several German and Türkish shops and sites, none is using it.

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[*] posted on 7-21-2019 at 12:36 PM


Bee is complaining about the size of her Zeriab oud which is most probably 60cm string length!
So she needs a oud that is SMALLER THAN 60cm guys 😊




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[*] posted on 7-25-2019 at 08:42 AM
Bulent Eryalman Zenne Ouds


Hi Bee,
I have a few Zenne ouds. The ones I use the most are made by Bulent Eryalman in Izmir, Turkey. He ships internationally with great success. Wait time is between 6 months to 1 year. Please email him for costs. Very reasonable for the highest level of craftsmanship and sound quality.
If you let Bulent know the tuning you want at the time of ordering, he will make the oud for that tuning.

http://www.bulenteryalman.com/Oud.html

Bulent not only makes Zenne width, but also customizes the depth of the bowl, which also lends to more comfortable playing for women and youth.

In the photo from left to right:
1. Standard Turkish-Sized Oud (58.5cm string length)
2. Zenne Walnut (57cm)
3. Zenne Rosewood (57cm)
4. Zenne Paduk one soundhole with shallower bowl (57cm)

If possible, please study with an oud teacher that will help you purchase/maintain a good oud, and prevent you from purchasing from sources like ebay etc.
Good luck!

Bulent Eryalman Ouds.jpg - 147kB
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