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[*] posted on 11-24-2019 at 01:32 PM
Modifying Nazih Ghadban Oud


Below is a video of a luthier who alledgedly modified the bracing and the bridge of a Ghadban oud which apparently made the oud sound better and with 30% more resonance/volume:

Modifying Nazih Ghadban Oud

My question is, if all that is true, then why wouldn't Ghadban originally engineer the oud with the modifications that this man provided?

An increase in 30% more resonance/volume is substantial so I'm skeptical. Curious what others with more experience in oud construction have to say.
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[*] posted on 11-24-2019 at 02:28 PM


Why not ask Nazih Ghadban? He's the one who posted the video.
My own thought is that a gain in one area may be a loss in another. Sometimes more volume can result in a shortening the life of the instrument for instance. But really I don't know.
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[*] posted on 11-24-2019 at 04:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  
Why not ask Nazih Ghadban? He's the one who posted the video.
My own thought is that a gain in one area may be a loss in another. Sometimes more volume can result in a shortening the life of the instrument for instance. But really I don't know.


I did see he posted it but didn't think to contact him! I suppose I could send him an email, I was just really curious.

How does a gain in volume lead to a shortening of the life of the instrument?
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[*] posted on 11-24-2019 at 07:32 PM


It doesn't necessarily lead to that but some ways of increasing the volume will. Thinning the soundboard, increasing the size of the sound hole(s), thinning the braces, these are some things that in certain circumstances lead to apparently increased volume (it seems louder only to the player) and hastens the death of the instrument.

Anyway no luthier knows everything there is to know about building an instrument. The best luthiers are permanent students, always seeking to improve their work. I would think a philosopher-luthier such as Nazih Ghadban would be interested to learn how to make even better instruments. Speaking of volume and his instruments I have one of his ouds. It is an excellent instrument. It had great tone form day one. But after a few years the tone got even better. And then after a few more years it got considerably louder. Just from regular use.
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[*] posted on 11-24-2019 at 09:01 PM


Ah, I get what you're saying.

I have one of his ouds as well! They really do age beautifully, which is part of the reason why I thought the modifications in the video were peculiar. Would be great to have a chat with Nazih Ghadban.
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[*] posted on 11-25-2019 at 02:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Jody Stecher  

Anyway no luthier knows everything there is to know about building an instrument. The best luthiers are permanent students, always seeking to improve their work.


This is a very important point.
Arabic oud in particular seems to be full of mysteries.




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[*] posted on 11-25-2019 at 06:19 PM


I remember chatting with Nazih about this. You should know that they are luthiers and friends. Nazih has a lot of admiration for this Japanese luthier from what I remember.

Also I don't know what was done with the braces. Looks more like the bridge was thinned out. There is school of thought in classical guitar making that the bridge must be as light as possible and of hard wood in order to transfer energy from the strings to the top.

Jody said it best. Always learning. That's the key. Always striving to make instruments at the limit of failure. It has bit me in the arse also... Making a top too thin and without enough bracing strength. Amazing sound but within a few years the top had failed and had to be removed and rebraced entirely.




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[*] posted on 11-25-2019 at 06:21 PM


http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=16725

Read this!




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[*] posted on 11-26-2019 at 12:10 PM


Quote: Originally posted by SamirCanada  
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=16725

Read this!


Thank you Samir!! That answers my questions perfectly.

I have heard of the nuances of how a really thin top produces the best resonance/sound but yes, there is only so much thinness possible before it gets too thin and the oud (or acoustic guitar) eventually falls apart.
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[*] posted on 5-5-2020 at 03:16 PM


"30%".. Says who? The guy that gets paid to slander the work of Nazih Ghadban.

Acoustics is a very fine art. It seems he's only removed mass of some parts.. this can be classified as "tuning", (maybe) There is a sweet spot. So this method isn't going to work every time.




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