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[*] posted on 11-26-2020 at 06:57 AM
Armenian Songs


Hey guys,
Does anyone have any resources for sheet music for Armenian songs for the oud? Any sources I fine are sort of a mix of various traditions (Arab, Greek, Turkish, etc.) and I always find the Armenian songs to be lacking.
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[*] posted on 11-28-2020 at 10:53 AM


Tried searching to hear some players. I like the sound of armenian oud.
Do you like John Bilezikjian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlrMwrwy7yE
or more this style maybe ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBBhSfyBi5g
Someone here may have some sheet music. :airguitar:
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[*] posted on 11-28-2020 at 05:23 PM


John Bilezikjian is wonderful. He has a very clean style.
As you can tell, my ear can only go so far here, some of those melodies get pretty complex. Some sheet music for the melodies could help, and then I can add the ornaments over time.
Thank you!
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[*] posted on 11-29-2020 at 02:34 PM


How's this?
https://imslp.org/wiki/104_Armenian_Folk_Songs_(Arakelian%2C_Grigor)
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[*] posted on 11-29-2020 at 04:08 PM


er....nothing shows up for me when I click that. Sorry...
It just says "there is currently no text in this page."
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[*] posted on 11-30-2020 at 10:09 AM


Aha, for some reason it hasn't recognised the whole URL as a hyperlink. Try copy-pasting the whole URL into your browser, that should work...
Or try here:

htps://ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/5/55/IMSLP290582-PMLP471743-104ArmSongs.pdf

Again, you might need to copy-paste the URL
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[*] posted on 12-1-2020 at 06:03 AM


I'll have to look through these and see if they help! Thank you so much!
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[*] posted on 12-2-2020 at 06:48 PM


Good quality scores of Armenian music are hard to find. You might find these useful: https://www.houshamadyan.org/mapottomanempire/vilayetdiyarbekir/city...
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[*] posted on 12-2-2020 at 06:54 PM


https://www.houshamadyan.org/mapottomanempire/vilayetdiyarbekir/city...
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[*] posted on 12-2-2020 at 06:56 PM


http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Sheet_Music
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[*] posted on 12-2-2020 at 06:58 PM


http://www.mousaler.com/songbook/data/folk.html
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[*] posted on 12-3-2020 at 05:45 AM


These resources are fantastic! The first two in particular are exactly what I'm looking for. They even have everything in their original Makams! Thanks!
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[*] posted on 1-6-2021 at 12:29 AM


Do these three 200 pages volumes provide some Armenian tunes?

Armenian school of oud 1-3:
https://oudarmenia.tumblr.com/ (cannot be downloaded but viewed freely over issuu online viewer. There are online pdf downloaders that makes pdf files from issuu for free, but the quality is not superb. But in this way it can atleast be printed on your own printer at home.

It must be noted that I am not at all an expert on the matter, just a keen collector of scores from different traditions of oud playing...

By the way, I am fond of Armenian sad songs that are often played on Duduk. Are such songs also available for the oud? Folk songs otherwise often tend to be dance tunes. Any suggestions?
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[*] posted on 1-6-2021 at 11:01 AM


Does anyone have the sheet music of the traditional armenian song "Hars Em Genoum"?
Can't find it. (Wonderful song btw!)
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[*] posted on 1-7-2021 at 11:04 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Doc139  
Does anyone have the sheet music of the traditional armenian song "Hars Em Genoum"?
Can't find it. (Wonderful song btw!)
Alexander


Is this it? https://flat.io/score/56f592a4afb59b541a96c57e-ares-m-nvovm
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[*] posted on 1-8-2021 at 10:47 AM


Thanks John! - the title suggests it could be the one, but it's not. At least not the version I have on records. You find it on the CD "Near East, Far West" (iTunes for example), played by the late Haig Manoukian (N.Y.C.) on oud and Souren Baronian (N.Y.C.) on clarinet.
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[*] posted on 1-8-2021 at 11:31 AM


ArmoOudist out of the two Diyarbakir pages the one of Onnik's songs has more correct sheet music. The sheet music was prepared by Ara Dinkjian.
The other one has good songs but the transcriber wasn't familiar with makams nor with the 10/8 rhythm.
So just be on the lookout that songs that should be in 10/8 are rarely written that way in sheet music.

By the way where are you located? I am in Metro Detroit

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[*] posted on 1-8-2021 at 11:33 AM


Generally though, there is very little in the way of sheet music for Armenian oud music.
You can find some songs if they were the ones transcribed in Soviet Armenia, but even those are hard to find on the internet for example.
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[*] posted on 1-8-2021 at 11:36 AM


Most Armenian oudists don't use sheet music, unless they are playing a saz semai or something, then you are dealing with Turkish sheet music.
Oud Swede - the songs you are talking about, there's sheet music out there. Songs like Dle Yaman for example I often play on the oud. But as I was saying about Soviet Armenian sheet music - there's a lot in existence - but not a lot on the internet. And certainly it's not necessarily written for oud, it's written more for piano to be honest, and in whatever key the person felt like.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2021 at 02:56 PM


Hartun---To be perfectly honest. Shortly after receiving these links, I started to learn some things by ear instead. I just went online, searched some old Hagopian records, slowed down the tempo, and played along until I got the basic melody.
Hagopian's live album at the Seventh Veil is particularly good for learning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA6OOGwHl2A
I'm actually just starting to really dig into microtones. I think I'm getting it right, but I'm not sure, it's a bit tricky to get used to. I'm learning "Fincan," which was very popular with Armenian Kef musicians. Not entirely sure what the Maqam is, but it makes use of B Quarter Flat
https://www.neyzen.com/nota_arsivi/02_klasik_eserler/034_hicaz/finca...
It's a shame that Armenians decided to iron out the quarter tones and 10/8 rhythms in a lot of their music because it was considered too "Turkish". That's why I'm glad the Ara Dinkjian music in one of the links provided keeps things in their original makams. Someone has to keep the traditions alive!
I am based in the Providence area.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2021 at 03:14 PM


This Richard Hagopian video is great for learning his right-hand technique, if you slow it down you can see really clearly how he picks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plIvnp8mzlc
Nice song too!
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[*] posted on 1-9-2021 at 03:56 PM


Hagopian is a freak when it comes to his picking technique. I'm still getting bidirectional picking down....
He doesn't use chords like Bilezikjian does, but he doesn't have to. He plays so fast it sounds like he's playing six notes at once.
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[*] posted on 1-9-2021 at 09:39 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Doc139  
Thanks John! - the title suggests it could be the one, but it's not. At least not the version I have on records. You find it on the CD "Near East, Far West" (iTunes for example), played by the late Haig Manoukian (N.Y.C.) on oud and Souren Baronian (N.Y.C.) on clarinet.
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This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXx4jI0DTz0
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[*] posted on 1-9-2021 at 09:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich  
Quote: Originally posted by Doc139  
Thanks John! - the title suggests it could be the one, but it's not. At least not the version I have on records. You find it on the CD "Near East, Far West" (iTunes for example), played by the late Haig Manoukian (N.Y.C.) on oud and Souren Baronian (N.Y.C.) on clarinet.
Alexander


This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXx4jI0DTz0


The Near East Far West members are/were friends of mine. I just sent an email to the santouri player, asking if they have a score of the song. We'll see!
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[*] posted on 1-10-2021 at 11:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich  
Quote: Originally posted by John Erlich  
Quote: Originally posted by Doc139  
Thanks John! - the title suggests it could be the one, but it's not. At least not the version I have on records. You find it on the CD "Near East, Far West" (iTunes for example), played by the late Haig Manoukian (N.Y.C.) on oud and Souren Baronian (N.Y.C.) on clarinet.
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This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXx4jI0DTz0


The Near East Far West members are/were friends of mine. I just sent an email to the santouri player, asking if they have a score of the song. We'll see!


My friend reported that the Near East Far West learned all of their repertoire by ear...no scores.
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