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ofadel
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CHAPTERS FROM SCOTT MARCUS'S BOOK
Hey everyone here are some excerpts from Marcus' book. This should keep all of the aspiring theorists out there busy for a couple days. 
As far as a comprehensive list of the maqamat, and the Ajnas that they used, I did not see one. I did see some lists of names of various obscure
maqamat but no definition of what they were comprised of. There are, however, a lot of pages to dig through so if someone finds the list, let me know
which page it is on.
I also scanned a couple of chapters I found of particular interest. Such as, adaptation of Western terminology, Ajnas, & modern modal scale
theory.
HERE ARE THE LINKS
Three Categories of Notes
Adopting Western Solfege
Tetrachords (Ajnas)
How Many Maqamat Are There?
Classifying the Maqamat
Modal Scales According to Present-Day Theory
Hope this helps.
omar
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theres is definately enough info in there to keep me going till i am 75!!!! thanks ofadel
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This is great. Where can I obtain a copy of this book?
Cheers,
Roy
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Omar, thanks so much, man!
I go to UCLA, so today, I took it upon myself to visit their music library, and I asked for this book. They handed me two huge volumes, and I sat down
for an hour, running through everything, trying to see what I could absorb. I've come to the conclusion that it's quite necessary to either buy the
book, or find it somewhere on line. This is one of the greatest things that I have ever come across, and I'd love to read this book in its entirety,
as well as apply it to my playing. I came across a few cool tetrachords, and a few awesome maqams. The Maqam Naz, for example... C D E(half flat) F Gb
A Bb c, as seen on page 392, sounds like it could be awesome! I have to get home and try it (as I'm still in school right now).
I had a question about maqam Zawil, as seen on page 392, as well. C D E(half flat) F... or C D Eb F# G. If this, indeed, is a derivative of Rast,
should the Eb not be E(half flat)? And if not, is this not Nawa Athar/Nakriz? Was it just a typo?
Again, if anyone knows of an online site that has posted this in its entirety, I'd be so thankful to know about it. I'd ask you to put the rest, Omar,
but man... that's a ton of pages... it must've taken you forever to scan all of that.
Thanks again!
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It's not a typo, but it's not very clearly explained, either. It seems that the maqam Zawil uses both the rast and nakriz tetrachords . . . it's not
explained precisely how that occurs. This maqam seems like it would be conceptualized differently by most performers (i.e., as some kind of
modulation in Rast, not as a distinct maqam) and is primarily of theoretical/historical interest.
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There is a maqam called basandidah which is notated as
C D Eb F# G A B half flat C
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ofadel
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My pleasure TP. I think you can buy the book online from a place that sells dissertations. I will see if I can find the link somewhere.
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Hey guys,
First off, I want to thank Omar for taking the time to do all of that. That was very kind of you. But I want to ask you to hold off on putting up
anymore of Dr. Marcus' book for a little bit. I have just sent him an email asking his permission for it to be shared online. I don't foresee it being
a problem, but it is probably best to be safe than sorry.
Thanks,
Mike
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Good call, Mike.
I also came across Basandidah in my perusing over the book. Interesting maqam (Nakriz+Rast).
I dig this stuff.
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sorry i made a mistake and left the # out after the F, its nakriz+rast...
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I just heard back from Dr. Marcus and he said it was fine to share his work on the forums. Many thanks again to him first of all, and also to Omar for
taking the time to scan the pages for us.
Take care,
Mike
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Scott will have a book coming out on Oxford University Press at the end of this year on Arab music. It doesn't go "comprehensive," but rather explores
in depth a few topics (Umm Kulthum, mizmar traditions, weddings) and does an in-depth explanation of maqam Rast (and related modes in the Rast
fasilah).
It will be the best introduction to music from this region - we've been using a draft copy here at Berkeley for teaching a "music of the Middle East"
class with good results, though almost noone seems to be "getting" maqam.
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hey this is good stuff to read><>
what is the exact name of the book so i can go find it then buy it.
thx sammy
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ofadel
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I'm glad that Dr. Marcus approved. For those of you interested in getting the book, it is called "Arab music theory in the modern period" by Scott
Marcus. David Parfitt sent me the following link where you could by it online, http://wwwlib.umi.com/dxweb/gateway
Hope this helps
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Hope you all didn't forget about this post!
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TruePharaoh21
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Hey everyone,
I hope that everyone is doing fine, and that the summer is treating you all well. I was hoping that perhaps someone could post the remainder of the
book, if possible. I'd really appreciate it!
TP21
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I just ordered the dissertation from the link above (The order number to search for is 9006091). $38 isn't too bad, considering the volume. It'll
probably cost me more than that to take it to Kinkos and have it bound somehow (it comes unbound in shrink-wrap).
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ofadel
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Hey guys. Sorry, I wanted to post more but have been super busy. I promise I will get to it at some point soon. Is there anything in particular you
want out of the book?
omar
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Hey everyone... I know most people have probably forgotten this post in the sea of the messageboard, but I was wondering if there was any way that we
could get the rest of this great book up! Please!
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All dead links now
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CHAPTERS REPOSTED
Here you go, guys. I know not all of you got the first 6 that were posted here, so here you go! I'd really like to thank Omar for posting these to
begin with.
Three Categories of Notes
Adopting Western Solfege
Tetrachords (Ajnas)
How Many Maqamat Are There?
Classifying the Maqamat
Modal Scales According to Present-Day Theory
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Many thank TP21 Thans to Omar as well
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Hey there, this is an awsome book. I got to read it in May, but it was borrowed. So to see it here is great. But, I tried to down load it and the 3rd
and 5th chapters didn't come through. Anyone have this who would be willing to share?
Thanks.
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Actualy I went to my University's library this week and I found a huge encyclopedia on middle eastern music writen in part by scott marcus. Absolutely
amazing stuff with a reference Cd featuring oud taqasims and more. I'll get the info up for you guys shortly.
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TruePharaoh21
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Hey Rhianwen,
If you just right click on the link and click Save As, it should come out just finely. I hope that helps.
Any chance anyone can provide us with the rest? Yes, I realize I'm really pushing for this, but it's like gold.
TP21
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