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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:43 PM
Cant attach


I'll send it to TP, and get him to post it. Sorry guys.
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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:44 PM


it has to be under 1 megabite.
Thats sad for us indeed since that means you have to lower the rec quality... or play less :(
or Talk to mike witch Iam shure he'll be able to hook you up.
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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:51 PM
here we go again


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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:51 PM


Hey everyone.

I've discovered the following information about the "el-Atlal" file that I have (which I assume is the most common one and that most people here have this one). They were tuned very very slightly flat, and start on what I believe to be Rast on C. The Huzzam comes in later before she sings, in which they play it from A half-flat. Now, that's actually not too bad to play it from at all, but since I want to give everyone an equal chance of learning this, I think it'd be better if the song was put onto B half-flat instead. That way, you wouldn't have to move up the neck much to play most of the song (just trying to take all levels into consideration: amateur, intermediate, professional).

Anyway, I adjusted the pitch so that the file is now on B half-flat. From what I can gather, it's only off by about 8 cents or so, which isn't bad at all and will be generally unrecognizable to the majority of us. For those using Amazing Slow Downer, simply raise the pitch to 2.10.

I won't be able to upload it now, but I will have it for you all tomorrow (within about 12 hours or so), so please bare with me. By the way, considering that I've adjusted the pitch, the beginning is now Rast on D instead of C (sidenote: I only listened to it for a few seconds, so I'm not particularly 100% positive that it's Rast, but I want to get this out to you all first... if any of the more knowledgeable musicians here want to correct me, please do so).

Again, I'll have it up for you all soon. I'll post a link for you all to download it. The size is about 3.5 megs, so it won't fit here, but I have a site to put it on, so no worries.

I hope everyone is doing well here.

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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:52 PM
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Samir, thanks for the advice. This is a historic moment, it is the first time I have attached anything on this forum.

Cheers.:buttrock::bounce::D
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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 09:57 PM


Hey guys,

Seret el Hob is played on Rahat el Arwah (B half flat), and is very similar to Huzzam, with only a few minor touches here and there as far as the progression of the maqam goes. It's a very fun song to play. For those with the Amazing Slow Downer, +2.92 on the pitch will put you right there to be able to learn and play it. For the rest... let's take care of el-Atlal first, and then we'll go onto that.

You guys have me very excited about this post now.

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[*] posted on 5-10-2005 at 11:06 PM


Thanks JT.
I have a deal to make
I tought you how to attach a file..
you can teach me to play like that! :) lol
If I can help with anything else let me know.
Iam excited to see how this post will go now now that u know how to post attachments we'll be in for a treat if yours truly will do us that favor!
Best wishes after this holy time of year
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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 06:12 AM


Hi everybody !
JT ! can you write done all the note for the three sikah baladi gammes?
Thanks
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thumbup.gif posted on 5-11-2005 at 08:18 AM
Hi All,


Fine thread you have here. Here's the genius himself performing "Al Atlal" on oud:

Riyad Sunbati - "Al Atlal" on Oud


Enjoy,

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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 10:16 AM


Hey everyone.

As promised, I just uploaded the file so that you all could get a chance at getting it. My recommendation would be to download this file as soon as possible, as it does take up a little bit of space. It's 3.27 MB, so for those on dial up... click to download and go have lunch. Right click on it and say save as, rather than just clicking on it, or else angelfire will throw up a nice notification for you.

Click here for El Atlal - modified pitch

Hope you have some fun with this!

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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 11:30 AM


hi TP, when i click the link angelfire tells me that i cannot access it. do i have to sign up or something.
Sidi, thanx for that link. that is really beatiful.
JT, is this joseph tawadros?!!!




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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 11:36 AM


is there anywhere i can download al atlal by sunbati? i love it!any CDs?



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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 12:38 PM


habeebkum,

Right click on it and say save as. That should do the trick.

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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 01:38 PM


wow.. TP thats wicked
and weird too?
I could play along right away tho...so thats a good sign Iam shure.
Did the maqam change after the mod you did?
Thanks for the mod anyways
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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 03:02 PM


it worked. thanx TP. i'll start trying to learn it tomorrow. better than studying thermodynamics for my finals!!!!!!:D



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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 03:56 PM


Samir,

The maqam will never change regardless of what I do with the pitch. But yah, you should be able to play along relatively well now.

habeebkum,

Good luck on your tests, man. My physics class is doing special relativity this week and thermodynamics the next, so I kind of have a taste for what you're going through.

Enjoy the file.

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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 04:45 PM
Sikd Al Nawa


Hello.

For Samir. Deal!, For Alarabi here are the variations.

G, Ab1/4, Bb1/4(or B natural), C#1/4, D, Eb1/4, F#, G

G, Ab1/4, Bb1/4(or B natural), Cnatural, d, Eb1/4, F#, G

G, Ab1/4, Bb1/4(or B natural), C#1/4, D, Eb, F#, G


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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 07:04 PM


Wow thank you so much !!:)
I was looking for this information almost 2 years !! Even the website world maqam is no good, because the Arouh leemin sikah baladi is different, but they put it as an example for the normal Sikah biladi (for quarter tones)
Let me ask you, what kind of S Balady the arouh lemin is?
From where you found this information? from books or poeple?
But I think there is another variations of sikah baladi, the famoust one is
G;
A (b1/4);
B(b1/4);
C;
D;
E(b1/4);
F(#1/4)
Thank you so much, I'm very happy for your interesting replay, thanks to this forum and to Mike
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[*] posted on 5-11-2005 at 07:44 PM


No problem. The one that you put in your last message was the second scale I listed.

i believe it is the second one, but it occasionally touches on the C#1/4 coming down, goes to the D and then back to C natural (this is a traditional pivot) you can hear it in the previous taqasim I posted. In the vocal part she uses the first one. Just think of the feeling, meaning of lyrics, analysis will come naturally after that. I hope that helps.

Anything else I can help with.


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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 04:49 AM


JT,

I'm confused. Are you using the terms #1/4 and b1/4 for half-sharps and half-flats? If e half-flat is roughly half way between e flat and e natural, is e quarter flat half way between these two? What are you talking about?




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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 04:58 PM


Hello Jameel,

Yes, when I put #1/4 then its half sharp and same with b1/4 is half flat, I know it's not the best system so sorry about the confusion, but the QWERTY keyboard never accomodated the quarter tone on its keyboard.

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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 05:20 PM


oud_student Morcos,

You are indeed correct. The saba tetrachord is most certainly included in there.

Is there a particular part of it that you want to learn? If you request, I will post that part of the song with the speed slowed down so that you can follow along with the notes, if you like.

TP21

P.S. I can help you all with the music, but can any of you help me with the words? What I mean is, can anyone translate the song into English? I realize that much of the strong emotions associated in the Arabic words would be lost, but it's a start.




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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 06:21 PM
Al Atlal


From the liner notes of the EMI CD Riad El Soumbati Al Atlal:

"The Remains"

Sorrow and lamentation caused by the separation between two lovers are expressed in this sad love song. The beautiful voice of the artist conveys the feelings of loneliness and desperation within him. The Lyrics translate as follows: °Oh heart do not ask where has love gone ...- Let us drink on the remains of her memory... Tell them for my sake how that love became a memory... How can forget you after having seduced me with your sweet soft lips... And how am I to forget the way you reached out your hand for me as if to rescue me from drowning... I felt like a drowning person who saw the brightness of hope in your eyes... Give me back my freedom release me from my chains... I have given you everything that I have ... Why should I keep my love for you while you have shut me out from your heart... What Shall I do with all the promises that you made but did not keep..




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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 07:11 PM


Thats a good transcription. Jameel
If you want a different point of view,
Al-Atlal means the remains but also "the ruins" so the song expresses many of the feelings that are assosiated with that word.
It shows that there was something great before like a great love. And when it came crashing down you can see and feel the ruins of such a love and they are the scars that represent that.
hope this adds to the general feel of the song.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2005 at 08:25 PM


Morcos, I'd love for you to that. Thank you very much.

Please, try to download the file. I feel as though I have an obligation to let you have this file so that you may be able to learn the song without reservation.

I, too, am on dial up here at home, so I usually rely on streaming audio if I can get it. As such...

Right click and Save as

Angelfire will say you can't just click or something, so just right click and download it. It'll take all of 2 seconds.

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