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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 07:42 AM
Old Oud claimed to be F. Shehata - Confirmation needed


Hello Everyone,

The owner of this oud is 70+ years old. He told me that he bought this oud from a workshop located in Misr and Sudan street over 30 years ago. The oud does not have a lable inside it.

It does look old even after it was given couple of shellac coats.

Can anybody confirm if this oud is a true Farouk Shehata or not.

Mike, I am wondering if you could help with this matter please.

Here is a sound file and couple of photos.

Also a link to a longer sound sample ...

a longer sound sample. Enjoy








Your help is highly appreciated.




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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 07:47 AM
photos


PS. The above sound sample had no sound effects at all.


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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 04:45 PM


Honestly, I don't know. It very well could be. Is there a reason why the 70 year old man would not be telling the truth about where he got it? As far as I know, Usta Farouk (and now Mo) was the only oudmaker on Misr and Sudan Street. His shop is in the basement of an old villa. I hope that helps.



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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 05:53 PM


HEY SYDNEY.....well i need u to tell me if the face of the oud is a dark color....its not gonna be too darm kinda like a bronze color...and if u can get me a pic of where the neck meet the back...from the back.......but other than that..i have two of his ouds......the work looks very similar....but those two things will confirm if it is....BTW......it sounds like it is....very beautiful playing btw i loved it....mashallah..very gifted.
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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 09:30 PM


sorry, this is a bit off topic, but is that Joseph Twadros playing on the long sample?
the oud sounds nice
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[*] posted on 12-8-2005 at 11:11 PM


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sorry, this is a bit off topic, but is that Joseph Twadros playing on the long sample?
the oud sounds nice
hamed


I can answer that one. The player is Emad (Sydney). I may be biased, because he is a good friend of mine, but I think he is a great oud player (and a good bloke, as we say in the antipodes) :applause:

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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 04:50 AM
Re: this oud


Mike,

i thank you for taking the time to look at this oud. I did not mean to sound like I did not trust the man. I also agree with you that Shehata workshop is the only oud place in that area so no doubt that man was talking about Farouk Shehata.

Samir,

You made me confused now. This oud Elie playing is very close not only by the look of the pick guard but also the out line of the sound board and the chin at the end of the fingerboard. Thanks for your help and confusion ;).


Hello SAGR,

I'll e-mail you couple of photos hopefully you'll be able to put your hand on a better clues. Thanks for your kind words man.


Hamed,

I am no where near Joseph Tawadros. I'll take that as a nice compliment. thank you.

I hope that Joseph Tawadros does not get offended over theis misunderstanding.


Greg,

Thank you deeply for your loving words mate. I am honored with your true friendship.

Thanks to you all.




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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 05:39 AM


Hi,

Samir, I think/hope Elie got confused there. I've seen these ouds many times, often in the hands of -older- artists from the gulf. I remember a jalsa where Mohammed Abdou played an instrument just like this. I also think Abadi has a few in his collection. If memory serves me here, I recall someone telling me those were F.Shehatas indeed.

Let me get back to this...
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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 05:41 AM


Take a look at this picture, and notice the pick guard on the oud in the background:
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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 07:00 AM
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Hello Sidi,

Thanks for your help there man. Really appreciated.

Is it right to say that F. Shehata had a style ouds famous for that pick guard? Or do you reckon that F. Shehata designed this pick guard to be a trade mark for his work?

Here is another photo for Sagr.




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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 08:44 AM


I think Maurice can definetly awnser you a strait forward awnser for your question Emad. You can be shure he'll have your awnser right away.
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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 08:48 AM
You are not wrong there


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I think Maurice can definetly awnser you a strait forward awnser for your question Emad. You can be shure he'll have your awnser right away.



Very true Samir,

I guess that will have to go back to Mike :D

Mike, do you think you can help getting an answer from Mr. Mourice please?


Thanks.




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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 08:51 AM


Regarding what Sidi has posted.
It looks to me like a syrian oud if I ever saw one. I doesnt have the traditional egyptian style. But of course I could be wrong with that to. Might aswell send maurice that picture aswell.
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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 11:11 AM


Samir,

As far as I know, both F.Shehata and Fathi Amin learned oud making from Jameel Georges, who originally came from Halab, Syria. Therefore it is only natural to find similarities with Syrian -specifically Halabi- models, in their work.


Emad,

That was a nice little piece you gave us there. I would have loved it to cross into other maqams, say Bayati for instance.

I think Maurice would solve this better than any of us here. He should be able to give you a final confirmation.

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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 05:00 PM


Thanks Sidi. I had no clue he originated from Syria. Your right about the similarities then.
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[*] posted on 12-9-2005 at 09:50 PM


hey yeah that is deffinetly a f.shehata.trust me on it!
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[*] posted on 12-10-2005 at 02:45 AM
Wow


Quote:
Originally posted by SAGR QURAISH
hey yeah that is deffinetly a f.shehata.trust me on it!


Thank you Sagr,

The owner of this oud is a very luck man to have it. Wow that is so good to know indeed. how nice to have an old shehata oud made by the master Farouk Shehata. I am sure he used to be like all the good makers that never took any short cuts.

Thank you guys for all the inputs. :bowdown:

Highly appreciated.




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