Time
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Najarian electric oud
Hi every one.
I am interested in making my own electric oud, does any body know how the najarian electric oud piezo bridge transducer is made, or is there any
company that sells these. I am basically starting from scratch so any little bit of info helps.
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tsugumi
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Electric Oud
Hello
If you ask Najarian directly, how about you?
http://www.oud.net/
Asking Saadettin Sandi and Haluk Eraydin will become your reference.
Haluk Eraydin
http://www.eraydinsazevi.com.tr/
Saadettin Sandi
http://www.cankayamuzikevi.com/framesett.htm
<cankayamusic@superonline.com>
electric oud - Acoustic Guitar Forum
http://www.guitarseminars.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001249.html
tsugumi
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Time
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Thanks for the help tsugumi,
I didn't think it is possible to ask the makers of oud, since we mideastern people like to keep our discoveries as a secret as we are scared it might
help others to take the market out of our hands. Which is coming from the believe of giving the secret to the decenders. This secret eventually will
be buried for ever.
It is quit obvious to say that the western world is very much advanced because they share their discoveries.
I might open new topic in this subject
Time
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sydney
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Just an advice
Hi time,
I wish you good luck for your project.
I got my electric oud from Haluk at a very affordable price and the sound is so nice and real.
You may spend too much money trying to make an oud but do not end with the right sound.
Here is a sound sample for my oud without any editing.
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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mourad_X
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hi time
the pick-up systems used in e-ouds are not discovrys by middle east people
all the oud makers are using normal "western developed" pu-systems
from cort, shadow and fishman
like in acoustic guitars nothing else, nothing special
it seamns to me that fishman is the best
it is in the saadetin sandi e-oud
and i think in the najarian as well
try to contact the shadow or fishman people (google)
may they are your first address
regards and good luck
mourad
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Andy
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Mourad,
I agree with you on this because the oud makers may not want their secret to get out. The transducer/pickup makers would want to share their knowledge
because they would hope that you would give them business. BTW, what kind of strings are used on electric ouds are they metal or traditional oud
strings?
Andy
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mourad_X
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normal oud strings
hi andy
on e-ouds they use tratitional oud strings
the pick-up systems are "piezo-ceramic based"
so there is no need on steel or any other magnetic string type
to install an underbridge piezo pick up is not realy a secret
may, one of the e-oud makers is a gentleman an shares it with us
regards
mourad
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Time
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Thanks guys,
The sound sample of the electric oud you have is really incredible, it sounded very traditional. What kind of strings are you using and is the D
string nylon or copper. Thanks for sharing.
About the stubborn Mideastern people I didn't really mean the electric oud only, since the majority won’t share a thing even if they have learned it
from somebody else.
The sound characteristic of the oud is produced by the strings depending on many factors you can find a good basic scientific explanation at http://oudpage.tripod.com/ under strings. This is a very important point in making the e-oud. The only concern in making the electric oud is that
fishman and other companies make their piezo pickups based on the guitar with six strings. I haven’t seen one yet so I am not sure if each string
holder would have place for two strings since they will carry the same waves, Or the bridge saddle is the one carrying the signal the latter seems
more reasonable to me.
May I bother you Emad for a close up picture of the bridge area and any other area that may seem helpfull.
Time
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sydney
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E-ouds/Strings
Hi
With electric ouds, there may be nothing special about the pick up system but there are lots of other measurements to take in mind. If you have all
the right tools you may be able to do it your self but I m sure you will end up spending much more than the price Haluk is selling it for.
Also, You need to shop around for the right amplifier - This has taken me over a year to try and find.
http://www.kustom.com/products/acoustic_amps/kaa30th.asp
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Time
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Thanks Emad for your concern, but if my goal was to save some money I would really be satisfied with buying one. I am a scientist and the reward of
succeeding to build my own is what I am looking for.
I know if I make a mistake in buying the right electronics it would cost me more than buying an already made one. That is why I am looking for help to
minimize the damage.
Although I am really considering buying one from them since the price is really reasonable including the shipping, but first I am going to try to find
the pieces of the puzzle. I will call fishman and shadow in the next week to get some help. For the mean time I would like to see the close up
pictures .
Time
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sydney
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E-oud
| Quote: | Originally posted by Time
Thanks Emad for your concern, but if my goal was to save some money I would really be satisfied with buying one. I am a scientist and the reward of
succeeding to build my own is what I am looking for.
Time |
Hi Time,
My opinion and advices could have been totally different if you have explained that you are going to build an electric oud for scientific aim.
Good luck with it mate.
If there is anything I can help you with please do not hesitate to ask me or e-mail me emad_philip@hotmail.com
Cheers
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Time
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I received an email from Haluk Eraydin with a sound sample of oud-1, but the sound doesn’t sound anything like yours. Is there a reason you know of,
like the amplifier you are using.
This clip really turned me down from buying one. there is huge difference between the clip you attached and this one.
here is the sound clip.
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Haluk
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Hi,
That sound file has recorded by my old laptop,not a good amplifier.Emad's electric oud also my product.
Regards.
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sydney
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Explaining
Of course this is what you get when you plug an electric oud to a basic computer. I think you'll get the same result if you plug an electric guitar to
a basic computer.
You need a good amp. to bring the right sound.
The quality of the Haluk electric oud is out standing, pegs are ebony and they fit perfecty well. The price is too good to be true compaired to the
price of any other maker.
My friend Greg is in the field of audio production and he played it himself. You can ask his opinion.
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Time
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Thanks Haluk and sydney for clearing things out.
I was a little worried about the consistency of work, since I am not a sound engineer.
I think I am going to order one after I convince my self  .
I figured out all the necessary electronics configurations, I might do it my self if my time allows
Time
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Orahim1
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I have a Najarian and would offer one suggestion. I bought an Alesis Sumo 300 which I run my electric oud through. I tried various amps and found that
the bigger the speaker (there is a 15" in the Alesis) the deeper the sound (which you need with an oud). Also, it is a keyboard amp which enables me
to hit the high notes as well. Just my two cents.
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Time
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I have a fender amp it is about 10" or 12" i am not sure and it is for keyboard. I hope it is going to work.
Orahim1 would you please post a sound file for your oud.
After along study of time and money I think I will be building my electric oud in two months after I move to my first house where I will setup a small
shop in the basment.
regards.
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hakeem.ram
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Salam to all
From my past experience with Electric guitars, I would still go for the Marshall amps. Though there is another brand Randall use by Michael Angelo
Batio which sounds pretty good and really impressive, I can't really comment abt it as I never tried it before
Nonethe less what ever it is pls do not use the Crate Amps. I am just finding the right junkyard to dump my Crate away.
Cheers
Hakeem
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handiro
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all pickups are piezo ceramic pickups. there is a german producer called shadow which recently made special oud pickups
http://www.shadow-electronics.com/catalog/index.html?c=9&p=1
its supposedly the best sounding one.....
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Time
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The link you attached is for a pickup that senses the vibration of the soundboard not the strings. so I think it would require a regular oud.
regards.
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