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farukturunz
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Thank you Elie, Emad, William, Mike for your precious remarks. I must not forget to say: you are right Mike! I must be the best dressed maker.
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Mike
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Usta Faruk....I have an uncle in Egypt who does lots of business in Turkey. He goes there at least 2 or 3 times a year, and all his clothes are from
there. He's definitely my best dressed uncle too!
Take care,
Mike
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Greg
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Thanks to all for your kind good wishes in regard to this new love in my life (Faruk refers to her as a beautiful and charming young lady. I do hope
my wife accepts her into the household ;-)
I will post a range of pictures upon arrival, but here is one from Faruk's workshop.
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sydney
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by Grega beautiful and charming young lady. |
whoooh ... very atractive too ... what size is she? 8?
Mabrok ya haboub
Good on you master Farouk
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Jameel
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Love that wood. Just gorgeous. Can't wait for more pics, Greg!
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ktb711
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Hey!
I dropped by Faruk Usta's one day, saw Greg's oud (in progress) and was totally blown away by the wavy look of that wood.
Tebrikler!
ktb
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Multi Kulti
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Wow I think Faruk Usta made one more miracle...
About this topic is something i want to say.
I had the honour to be in Mr. Faruk's workshop for a couple of hours (in March) and of course i was more than happy to hold and take home my
custom-made Oud he made for me.I can say that his workshop is like Oud-Temple 
All of the ouds i played were something special.There were similarities in design,loudness and playability but the sound-colour was different in every
oud i played including mine..
As for Powertools and jigs and stuff like that i have to say that the only thing i saw there were pure hands working with wood..
Greg i understand how you feel right now you dream of your oud everywhere A bit sadistic feeling if you ask me
Nikos
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Jonathan
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That is some incredible looking wood.
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mavrothis
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Beautiful oud Greg! Congratulations!
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Greg
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Thanks again all.
Mav, I hope you have been watching young Marcos Baghdatis storm his way into the finals of the Australian Open. There are so many Greek flags in the
crowd that you'd swear you were watching Euro 2004.
This young guy has won a huge fan base here. I hope he goes on to win the final on Sunday.
Regards,
Greg
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mavrothis
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Hey,
Yeah, this is a great moment for him. What's cool is that he is actually half-Lebanese, half-Greek Cypriot (from what I've heard). I haven't seen
any of the matches, but I'm a big tennis fan and hope to catch some reruns on ESPN. I can't believe what he's been able to do, I mean Roddick is
tough to beat, and he keeps on going through opponents!
Anyway, sports aside, your oud really looks beautiful and I can't wait to hear it. One of my students ordered a Turunz oud recently and it is really
impressive sounding, it will probably surpass my own Turunz which is a few years older before long.
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Mike
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Greg,
The oud looks fabulous. I bet you can't wait to get your hands on it.
It is a pretty amazing run he's on guys. I don't think he can beat Roger, but still...what he's done so far is pretty remarkable...especially his
semi-finals match. I'm rooting for him.
Take care,
Mike
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sydney
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Marcos Baghdatis
This guy is amazing, even my 11 months daughter is crazy about him
I hope he makes it up all the way to the top.
1000 for Baghdatis
Kind Regards,
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Emad
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: | Originally posted by farukturunz..... This must not be a forum of prejudice and slander of course and I had really no idea about it untill
some times ago.
Warm regards,
Faruk |
Dear Faruk,
I am compelled to respond to dispell what is obviously a misunderstanding of intent and meaning. To begin, the Webster's dictionary definition of
slander:
1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2.A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
and prjudice:
1. a. An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
b. A preconceived preference or idea.
2. The act or state of holding unreasonable preconceived judgments or convictions. See Synonyms at predilection.
3. Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion.
4. Detriment or injury caused to a person by the preconceived, unfavorable conviction of another or others.
My comments are expressions of my personal preferances and opinions and contain no personally injurious or false statements. The free expression of
ideas is the basis for this forum, and if those ideas conflict with yours, it is not slander or prejudice, just a different opinion. I apologize if
you have taken my comments otherwise, but it was certainly not my intent. I recognize your mastery of the craft of oudmaking and your reputaion
supports this. Your methods of building the oud may be more accurate than a free hand process, but I still personally believe there is plenty of
precision capability in the hands of a skilled luthier using simple tools.
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farukturunz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Oud
I enjoy. Perhaps I believe that as the factory process creeps in, the art process seeps out. You can buy art produced in factories, or buy art on the
corner from the artist. which is better? You'll have to decide that for yourself.
Boy, this one sure ruffled some feathers, huh? |
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Dear Richard,
Every primary school child needs help of the elders to use a word, when writing a paragraph, in a true context. He or she has probably been told that
solely to know the signification of a word is not enough to expose any significant thought. The words must be used in the true context in order to
function as correct semantics elements. Please be honest to accept my reasons for using those words "prejudice" and "slander". If you had stopped
after revealing your preference of course I would not have any further idea dealing with your real purpose. But unfortunately you did not stop at that
point. You, as though replying to any comments dealing with any factory production, wrote the quoted lines. This is a thread which was started by
Greg, to share some pictures of my jigs, with my name on the topic. I respect to people's right to express freely their thoughts and preferences.
I respect your thoughts about factory production goods and I defend your thoughts with the condition they do not take place in any thread exposing my
work. Because non of any part of my work has any thing to do with "Factory production"
When looking from a distance all the parts of the scene get in the same square: Faruk Türünz and his “Factory production ouds”
Is this what you actually want to say? Or will you please clearly declare your thought about how to call Faruk Türünz style production.
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Dr. Oud
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Dear Faruk,
My use of the term "factory process" was not meant to imply you use a factory production in your work. I only meant to express my preference to work
with simpler tools rather than using fixtures. I would describe your methods as high precision accomplished with the aid of fixtures and special
tools, not as a factory process. I accept your condition in the hope any misunderstanding will be dispelled.
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farukturunz
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Thank you Richard, I believe that there is no need to lenghten this thread any more.
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Brian Prunka
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My 2¢:
While I personally have a lot of sympathy for Dr. Oud's Luddite philosophy (and I mean that in a positive way!), I think any process that makes
high-quality instruments more readily available to musicians has a real value that outweighs any objections.
Furthermore, no amount of mechanization/etc. will totally eliminate the purely artistic approach--It's nice that I can get a good, accurate watch for
$25; and that doesn't stop artisans from making $1000 handmade precision timepieces and finding buyers.
Unfortunately, the cost of great instruments has far outpaced the ability of professional musicians to pay for them . . . if someone can speed up
production and still turn out high-quality instruments (thereby reducing the cost of doing so, i.e., time=money), then I think that is a valuable
cultural contribution. It puts more and better instruments into the hands of people who will make music with them (not to say they will be better
than the best completely hand-made instruments, but that they will be better than comparably priced hand-made instruments).
Instrument makers I've known have figured out how many instruments they can reasonably make in a year, and set the price accordingly (taking into
account overhead, materials, labor, and demand). One reason Jameel has cited in not being full-time oudmaker is that he can't make enough ouds in a
year to sell each one at a reasonable price.
I, for one, am impressed with Mr. Turunz's innovations . . .
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the above are solely the opinions of the author, who is not in any way suggesting that you should share his opinion, respect it, or even tolerate it.
all complaints regarding the existence of said opinion will be duly ignored. thank you.
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LeeVaris
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Well said Brian! 
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Brian Prunka
My 2¢:
While I personally have a lot of sympathy for Dr. Oud's Luddite philosophy (and I mean that in a positive way!), ....Instrument makers I've known have
figured out how many instruments they can reasonably make in a year, and set the price accordingly (taking into account overhead, materials, labor,
and demand). One reason Jameel has cited in not being full-time oudmaker is that he can't make enough ouds in a year to sell each one at a reasonable
price.
I, for one, am impressed with Mr. Turunz's innovations . . .
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the above are solely the opinions of the author, who is not in any way suggesting that you should share his opinion, respect it, or even tolerate it.
all complaints regarding the existence of said opinion will be duly ignored. thank you.
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Luddite? Well, I just want to clarify that I am more of a Martin Luther King - Luddite, in that I do not support the methods of the Luddite activists.
I agree with your comment about making more fine instruments available to musicians at lower cost, but the market value of these and indeed all
musical instruments are determined by the market value driven by demand more than supply. It takes as long to build a guitar as an oud, but the top
guitar makers make ten times as much (~$10,000) as do the top oud makers. Taken a step further, violins command about 3 times more (~$30,000) than
guitars (from current violin makers). In each case there are cheap guitars and violins, so the availability of cheap instruments is not the issue
really. I think it's more the sheer number of musicians that makes the high end market larger for guitars and violins and smaller for ouds.
I am impressed with Faruk as well, it's just not my way...
Thanks for the great disclaimer, if I had used it maybe I wouldn't have caused such a fuss here.
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theodoropoulos
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Unfortunatelly the photos are not available as i can understand!!
Does anyone have any photow of Mr.Faruk special tools???
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jdowning
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The reason the original images are no longer available is because Mike recently had to undertake an overall 'purge' (deletion) of images on all
threads posted prior to November 2009 (if memory serves correctly). This was to enable him to continue to financially hosting this wonderful site out
of his own pocket - for which we must all be thankful.
The situation for this thread may be easily corrected if the member who originally posted the now deleted images (Greg?) can be persuaded to repost
them.
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theodoropoulos
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Thank you Mr jdowin for responce.those photos were a treasure....
Please if Greg reads this,repost them....
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Greg
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Sorry for the delay Theodoropoulos. I had to hunt through some old backups to find the photos (sent to me by Faruk in November 2005).
Regards,
Greg
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DavidJE
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As a business owner myself, it is sometimes frustrating to hear people express their ideas about my "profits" when in fact they really have no idea
what they are or what goes into my work. So I'd like to point out that Faruk's "machines" also come at a cost, as do his employees and the space that
they require. A single individual making ouds may be able to sell them for less because they don't have the overhead that Faruk does. So I wouldn't
be so quick to decide that Faruk makes "excellent profits". I also wouldn't assume that using machines and having employees requires less hard work.
In my experience, these things often mean there is more hard work and more mental pressure. It's a greater commitment with more on the line.
EDIT: Lute... Seeing how you have edited your post, it is obvious that you have something against Faruk, which is entirely unfounded and based on a
lack of understanding from what I know. I'm not a forum admin, but this kind of thing has no place here in my opinion.
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