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Dr. Oud
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Label translation
What's it say? anybody?
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spyrosc
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Hey Richard,
I'm back from Greece, how are you ?
The light reflecting off the label makes it very hard to read.
However, there might be the word Lubnan (Lebanon) on the upper right hand corner ?
And if the bottom line is the date you might have something there from the 1800s. Is that possible ?
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The numbers look to be either 684.9 or 1849?
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the words that I could have read are: Lubnan- bulos ammur- shbat -and the year 1849
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First line is: LEBANON Burj Hamood.
Burj Hamood is a famous market place mainly Armenian Lebanese merchants and business owners. A very interesting place and one of the landmarks to
visit when in Lebanon, you can buy a lot of things there.
More to come on the translation.
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i tweaked the picture a little...i don't know if this helps or not..
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I think on the second line i can read Sumbat Bedrosian
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spyrosc
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I read "Sumbat Bedrou..." too but wasn't sure.
I'm glad you're confirn\ming it.
Spyros C.
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The date looks to me like 6 8 49, or 6 August, 1949.
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These names sort of confirm eachother in return since Burj Hamoud was the primary location where the newly arived armenians installed themselves.
To this day its has a majority of Armenians and Lebanese of armenian decent. Its features a lot of nice botiques like Elie mentioned but the specialty
is the gold jewlery making trade that is taught from father to son.
Unfortunetly its also known for the sewer smell that comes from underground of this neighborhood.
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Samir is right about the smell at least as late as a couple of years ago. Maybe things will start getting better for Lebanon in the coming years and
the sewer problem will get fixed. It is still an interesting place to visit (you just have to hold your breath at certain spots.)
The last line (as I read it): year 1849.
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Dr. Oud
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Welcome back, Spyros, and thanks boys for the informative responses.
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I think Sumbat Bedrossian was making ouds in Lebanon around 30s and 40s, (i read it here in other threads), this can match al Halabi's reading 6
august 1949, but if Elie Riachi reading is the correct one, 1849, then there is an anachronism with Sunbat Bedrossian
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al-Halabi
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The name of the maker is Der Bedrossian. I would bet that it was made in 1949. If features of the oud match other Bedrossians from the 1940s that
would confirm the date.
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Yes and that would also make sence since the label comes from the german oud maker mr. Wagner. On his site it says oud from the 1940"s
Problem solved
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Dr. Oud
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| Quote: | Originally posted by zalzal
I think Sumbat Bedrossian was making ouds in Lebanon around 30s and 40s, (i read it here in other threads), this can match al Halabi's reading 6
august 1949, but if Elie Riachi reading is the correct one, 1849, then there is an anachronism with Sunbat Bedrossian |
Could it be an ancestor of the Bedrossian of the 1930's? hmmmm?
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al-Halabi
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Richard, this is quite unlikely. The Armenians came to Beirut in the course of World War I and after, mostly as refugees. In the 1840s Beirut was
still a small port town, not the major center that it was going to become later. Sorry.
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I am very sure the first word of the second line is Faisal befor sumbat.
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Thats what I was thinking but I cant see the F
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Elie Riachi
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I enhanced the image and the year is followed by the numbers from left to right: 1 8 4 9. It is a 1 and not a 6 at the leftmost. If you look at the
colors in the disputed digit, you will notice that the vertical part is blue ink and the horizontal dash at the top which makes it look like a 6 is a
much darker brownish-black color and it looks the same color as some of the discolorations on the label paper. So you may argue that it could be 1
August 49 (since August is the 8th month) and I would agree except for that in Arabic the date is written from "Right to Left" starting out with the
day, month and then the year and they would be separated with dashes or slashes. So if we insist that this label is indicating form "right to left"
the day - month - year then it would be 9 April 1918. However, a full date doesn't make sense since it is preceded from the right by the Arabic word
"sanah" which means Year, combined with the absence of delimiters between the numbers, leads me to believe that it is meant to read "Year 1849". Are
we certain that no Armenians existed in Lebanon in 1849 or prior to that? Of course I am not certain if Bic's "ball point ink pens" where invented
then. But this could be written with fountain pens but I thought the older inks were darker blue. Interesting.... Could you post the link Samir?
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Elie Riachi
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Samir, nevermind I found the site. I had it in my favorites since a month or so back. Here it is http://www.lutes-strings.de/e-aoud_syrian_old8.php
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There was a Smbad Bedrossian, of course, but this would far pre-date him. Is there any chance you can post pics of the oud, Doc, so we can see what
it looks like?
There was a pretty strong tradition of naming the first grandson after the paternal grandfather, so perhaps this is a relative of the Smbad Bedrossian
that we are familiar with. Or, we are just misreading the date or the date is not accurate.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Jonathan
... Is there any chance you can post pics of the oud, Doc, so we can see what it looks like?
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Jonathan, look at the link I posted above. You'll find pictures of the oud there.
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Jonathan
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I don't know how I missed it. That absolutely looks like a Smbat Bedrossian, and I agree with the 1940s estimate. That cover on the tail block is
pretty common for his ouds, as is the treatment around the central sham, and the shape of the mizraplek. There is a guy in
France that has a Smbat for sale. It was a bit too pricey for me, but I will try to post the pictures so you can see the similarities.
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Smbat Bedrossian
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