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zalzal
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a video posted by Jameel in professional clips forum:
http://www.9sekiz.com/yurdaltokcan/content/html/videolar.asp
Nice view on Yordal Tokcan inverted risha
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billkilpatrick
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in the april 2004 issue of "lute news" from the lute society of great britain, in an article entitled "playing the lute of medieval europe," professor
joseph baldassare mentions 3 styles of plectrum technique:
- traditional oud style position with the tip of the risha held between the pad of the thumb and index finger with the remaining length of the shaft
gripped along the inside of the palm. there's early european iconography showing this.
- illustrations for a second technique exist in some 12th and 14th cent. iconography in which the risha is held in a similar manner as the tradional
position but with the hand placed below the strings, palm facing up with the plectrum at an angle to the strings. the risha is held between the thumb
and index finger but the shaft passes along the length of the index finger, covering the knuckle - a bit like holding a pen.
- a third technique discussed in the article, prevalent in 15th cent. court settings, places the hand over the strings with the palm facing the body
of the instrument. the risha is held between the thumb and index finger or middle finger with the shaft passing between the middle and index finger
near the base. this has been referred to as "fan picking" and is usually illustrated with a small plectrum - a barbless ostrich feather, baldassare
suggests - but can also be seen with larger quill or horn shard.
each of these techniques is discussed in terms of proper use of down and up stroke but as i'm too cheap to join the lute society and receive their
news letter, i only have part 1 of the article.
in any case, may i suggest that for those way down here at my level of play, "doing what comes naturally" is the best way to play your instrument and
any discussion of proper technique - while interesting - is secondary to that.
- bill
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Ronny Andersson
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Here a video showing some risha/playing technique:
http://www.iraqioud.com/picts/ron3.wmv
Best wishes
Ronny
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billkilpatrick
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thanks ronny but my steam driven imac can't handle it (installation failed). if you've any information of early european documentation for plectrum
use, please let me know.
mega-galactic ciao - bill
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by billkilpatrick
thanks ronny but my steam driven imac can't handle it (installation failed). if you've any information of early european documentation for plectrum
use, please let me know.
mega-galactic ciao - bill |
steam driven..cool, sure I read your post on lute list about eagle quill and a reply is on the way...
Best wishes
Ronny
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LeeVaris
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Very Cool Ronny...
I sure wish I could see your whole right hand though. The risha seems to have a fairly steep angle relative to the strings - are you holding it with
the back end coming between the ring and little fingers or is your whole hand covering the risha?
That Fawsy oud sounds great! 
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LeeVaris
Very Cool Ronny...
I sure wish I could see your whole right hand though. The risha seems to have a fairly steep angle relative to the strings - are you holding it with
the back end coming between the ring and little fingers or is your whole hand covering the risha?
That Fawsy oud sounds great! |
Thanks Lee, yes the whole hand is covering the risha; they are no technical advantages with holding it between the ring and little finger. The angle
is step due to my right hand position that is more paralell to the bridge. I play with a eagle risha which is a soft risha and very expressfull to
play with. I'll post a more detailed video which demonstrates also some right hand finger plucking.
Best wishes
Ronny
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Lael
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Hello All,
New here but have been reading threads since July. I am primarily a guitarist and contra-bassist (s string). Been studying since 1986. In July I
finally made the long desired switch to the Arabic Oud. As a lead guitarist I am comfortable with and aware of the various picking styles and have
always focused on economy of movement. About two months ago I was accepted as a student with an Iraqi oud master. we meet every couple weeks. He has
me doing some right hand exercises with maqamat practice that are hurting my head.
Down up Down Down repeat.
and
Down Down Up repeat
The problem I am running into is that at times It causes an upstroke on the first note on the next course when applying to playing straight maqam
practice.
Anyone tracking what I am saying here? Any ideas would be great.
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Lael
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Interesting. Keep in mind that i am new to the oud. I just met with my teacher again. I understand now (again) that "rules" are to be broken here
and there; That being that when you start a new course you begin with a down stroke (general rule in Arabic style if I am correct). I was
struggling with having an upstroke on the first note of a new course while performing an add a note and drop a note maqam exercise with a repeating
Down Down Up stoke pattern. In example:
FYI: I am tuned FADGCF and executing this in Maqam Kurd Re ( Phrygian D)
re mi fa
mi fa sol
fa sol la
sol la si
la si do
si do re
Ascending and descending
I was finding that I was having an upstroke on the first note of a new course..hence breaking the down stroke rule. Yet this is exactly what was
expected of me to do...work on that upstroke on a new course.
Again...I am new to the oud and just trying to figure it all out.
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Lael
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BTW. realized that I am off topic of the last post...a mistake on my part.
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Jody Stecher
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Respects to your teacher. He/She has chosen exercises to help your right hand attain complete freedom to easily do what you want it to do, or to do
what the moment of music requires. A downstroke on each arrival at a new string gives a characteristic "old fashioned" sound which is both lovely and
not heard as often as it used to be. It was common in 19th century Italian mandolin playing as well, and in other traditions of double course
instruments. But it's good to be *able* to not do that. And some passages of oud music require continuous down-ups, or other patterned
movements that may involve an upstroke as the first sound on a new string. These exercises will help you to be able to do these things easily. Good
for guitar as well.
Quote: Originally posted by Lael  | Interesting. Keep in mind that i am new to the oud. I just met with my teacher again. I understand now (again) that "rules" are to be broken here
and there; That being that when you start a new course you begin with a down stroke (general rule in Arabic style if I am correct). I was
struggling with having an upstroke on the first note of a new course while performing an add a note and drop a note maqam exercise with a repeating
Down Down Up stoke pattern. In example:
FYI: I am tuned FADGCF and executing this in Maqam Kurd Re ( Phrygian D)
re mi fa
mi fa sol
fa sol la
sol la si
la si do
si do re
Ascending and descending
I was finding that I was having an upstroke on the first note of a new course..hence breaking the down stroke rule. Yet this is exactly what was
expected of me to do...work on that upstroke on a new course.
Again...I am new to the oud and just trying to figure it all out. |
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