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Oud picks made of horn or eagle feather
Dear friends,
I am searching for oud picks made of horn or eagle feather.....I want them at least to be 13 cm long.....if you know anything about that please inform
me.....otherwise I thing that I will have to make them alone,and I don't have the time......
Regards and Respect
spyros
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TruePharaoh21
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I believe the ones made of horn are far easier to find. When I asked for some picks from Egypt, I got ones made of horn. As for the eagle feather, I
think that's been made illegal. If that info is wrong, please prove me right so I can get a feather for myself! 
TP21
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sydney
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picks
Hello fine people,
this is very interesting to know that playing the oud using a pick made of a horn or else would make a difference. I have personally met Said Mekawy
and he was using a simple plastic strip. I guess it is how we shape it to give a nice sound. a round front end would give a deep sound while a pointy
front end would give a louder and sharper sound. I know for sure that it should not be rough where it touches the strings it also should be between 8
: 11 mm wide. the length can vary to fit in hand. I make my own picks and I do use them in professional recordings. I can send you a sound sample if
you wish. Tho bottom line is that I do not really think it is a big deal, I would not get that fussy. Take No offence please.
Have a great Christmas and happy new year. God bless.
Emad from Sydney
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sydney
Hello fine people,
>this is very interesting to know that >playing the oud using a pick made of a >horn or else would make a difference
Off course it does! A plectrum of eagle quill is the most difficult plectrum to master and the Iraqi contra the Turkish tradition of making them are
different. Horn plectra can be made in lot of shapes and of different horn qualities. I make horn plectra since 22 years and also quill plectra, I can
assure you is an art that is more subtle than to cut plastic strip. |
Best wishes
Ronny
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Adel
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that is correct.
Adel
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Dirzi
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Picks
Hey Ronny, if you can sell any horn plectra i'd be happy to buy a few, also if you can make any eagle picks, i can't get my hands on any
eagle quills, i live in the usa, and they are pretty much illegal here.
hameddavid@hotmail.com
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sydney
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Hello fine people
Please forgive my ignorance. I hope I did not offend any of you by what I said. but I still wish to send my simple point across - playing the oud
needs good conditions that is for sure, but what I am trying to say is that the type of pick will never ever make a good oud player. I personally
recorded oud using a soft plastic strip. Please check the sound sample attached.
Do you mean to tell me that all those old oud players of the past ever cared about what type of picks they are using? I strongly doubt that. But of
couse it would be very nice to have a decent pick made of a proper media regardless what it is as long as the person feels comfortable to the size and
sound of it.
I finally hope that it is fine by you to disagree.
all respect
Emad from Sydney
special thanks to sound engineer Mr. George Ramzy.
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samzayed
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I find this topic very interesting. I've tried two types of horn, one kind from Ronny, and another kind from an Egyptian import shop. I find
that the horn pick is very "warm" sounding in comparison to plastic. You don't hear any "clicky" sound. However, they are a
pain because they chip, and lose their shape very easily. Not recomended for every day practice, unless you have large stock of horn at your
disposal.
Ustaz Adel, any idea what kind of risha Farid Al Attrash used? He is my favorite when it comes to the right hand technique.
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billkilpatrick
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an oud player in portugal sent me a horn plectrum and i noticed the difference immediately. i had to change the way i held the pick but the sound it
produced was very much louder than with a plastic pick and much cleaner (sharper) in tone. pablo advised me that cow horn is not recommended for
plectrum. any opinions on that? i've heard of deer bone being used and i'm scouring the area looking for a goat's horn. any other
critters fair game? ciao - "plucky" bill
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Ronny Andersson
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Bill, horn plectra made of buffalo-cow horn can be made of different horn qualities and also thickness-flexibility. I have tried some poor made horn
plectra from Egypt made of massive horns and they are much inferior my own plectra. All my test showes that the flexibility is best obtained with
plectra made of cow horns.
Best wishes
Ronny
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billkilpatrick
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dear ronny - fabulous! i'd like to try making my own. i don't have a horn in my hand (so to speak) - any chance of talking me through the
process? cordiale salute - bill
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by billkilpatrick
dear ronny - fabulous! i'd like to try making my own. i don't have a horn in my hand (so to speak) - any chance of talking me through the
process? cordiale salute - bill |
Caro Bill, Certo...the horn you need is the pretty large horn from larger cow breeds.
You are lucky when you have good sources in Italy, to get them from. The famous water buffalo in Napoli (a friend is a breeder) is one source but I
prefer larger horns from other cow species. Also some shops for hobby workers have horns and I assume that is the place where makers of medieval
natural horns get them from. Forgett massive horns, when the texture is completely different and the required flexibility is impossible to obtain.
Try to get a large horn and I show you how to make high quality plectra.
A presto,
Ronny
Best wishes
Ronny
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billkilpatrick
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well...i checked with two of the butchers here in the village and it seems that regulations introduced to combat the spread of mad cow's disease
dictate that no part of the spine or head can be transported anywhere near the meat of the slaughtered animal. this means that if i want a cow's
horn i'm going to have to go to where they slaughter them (emiglia romana) and hope for the best. i found someone on ebay who will sell me a
texas long horn skull, complete with horns for around $5.00. what do you think? ciao - bill
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Ronny Andersson
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Ok Bill, then I can send you one of pure West African cow. Is a very large horn and you can make lot of plectra and other funny things of it... I send
you a mail with price.
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Ronny
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horn plectrum
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Ronny Andersson
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Horn
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Ronny
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billkilpatrick
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horn plectrum
troppo gentile! that'll keep anyone in picks for a lifetime. it's too much ronnie, i can't accept it! i'm sure i'll find
something locally, even if i have to wait for spring. for your information, try the ebay site and search for "long horn." you'll be
amazed at what you get. the texas long horn i thought i could buy for a fiver yesterday is now going for $100-something dollars. live and
learn...
thanks again ronnie. all the best - bill
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Ronny Andersson
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Caro Bill, You know, this type of horns are nothing for me...I get them free from relatives so is yours. Just give me you adress and I send it. You
can pay with a good old goat cheez (troppo buona) and a bottle of olive oil.
Best wishes
Ronny
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billkilpatrick
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ronnie - i sent you my address on your iraqi oud site. hope you got it. ciao - bill
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