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samzayed
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Horn rishas/mizraps
Anyone have any idea what kind of oil I should soak horn rishas for, and how long? I have heard some say olive oil, and others say don't use
olive oil, use a lighter oil, etc.
By the way, if you are looking for a source of horn rishas, contact Yehia at nileshop@menanet.net.
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Dear friend,
Horn rishas can be rubbed with lotion periodically just like you do to your hands, to keep them from going dry. I don't think you need to soak
them in oil. Feather rishas used to be soaked in olive oil in the old days.
I think Ronny had some advice on the subject on another thread.
Salamat
Spyros C.
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samzayed
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This batch of horn strips are very shiny, and have an almost plastic feel to them. However, they seem to be still brittle, and I have been breaking
the tips after a few minutes of intense tremelo.
I think they need some sort of treatement. I did soak my last batch with olive oil for a couple of weeks, it seemed to make them softer, and less
brittle. This new batch are a better quality, they are more consistent in thickness down the length, but they still break.
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nadir
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could it just be that the horn that you have received is low quality? because i find it amazing that HORN would chip after just some intense playing.
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Horn rishas breaking
I believe that the problem is how the horn risha was cut from the original bone material. Bone has 'grain' too. If they cut the risha
'with the grain' it lasts longer but if they cut it 'across the grain' it breaks easily.
Spyros C.
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Ronny Andersson
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It's not necessary to store horn plectra for 6 months in olive oil. This method is only for the Iraqi eagle quill plectra there olive oil is used
to strengthen the plectrum (few knowes why). Olive oil is the traditional oil for both quill and horn plectra and for horn is enough with couple of
weeks. Is impossible to make a good plectrum if you cut against the grain.
Best wishes
Ronny
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samzayed
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Ronny,
In a previous thread, there was a discussion regarding the type horns neccesary to make a good horn plectra. I got a new batch of strips from Egypt,
and I doubt they are the kind of horn you reccomend. They look and feel different than the ones I got from you. Can you tell me anything about them
from the picture? Thanks,
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zeyad
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ohhhh.. man. I have one of these. They are, i am sorry to say that, cheap stuff. I do not like them.
Zeyad.
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
I've seen that kind of horn risha too-one of my student use them. He bought it very cheap in Cairo. To be honest it is a cheap version-I prefer
the one I got from Ronny Andersson.. feel better too!
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nadir
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does anyone here know where i can get good quality horn rishas??
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Zulkarnain
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Hi
Please contact Ronny Andersson (check his website iraqi-oud.com) He can send you a very god quality horn risha!
Regards
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by samzayed
Ronny,
In a previous thread, there was a discussion regarding the type horns neccesary to make a good horn plectra. I got a new batch of strips from Egypt,
and I doubt they are the kind of horn you reccomend. They look and feel different than the ones I got from you. Can you tell me anything about them
from the picture? Thanks, |
Sam, the Egyptian made plectra are made for me off an unknown animal horns (probably goat). The large horn of water buffalo or any larger cow breed
doesn't produce a similar horn quality as the goat or massive horns. The cow horn texture is more flexible and can be made of various thickness
and flexibility. Cows for milk producing have if they are now allowed to keep their poor horns, a quality that is much inferior ¨real¨l arge horns.
Best wishes
Ronny
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Ronny Andersson
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Zulkarnain
Hi
Please contact Ronny Andersson (check his website iraqi-oud.com) He can send you a very god quality horn risha!
Regards |
Yes that's correct. Unfortunately I have little time nowdays for quick delivery but order is possible. I have recieved mails from some interested
in my plectra and my answers are comming!!!
Best wishes
Ronny
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I'm quite inexperienced with the various types of rishas, and I have only held a horn risha once (I have one in the cabinet right next to me, but
it seems as though if I play it, it will break right in half). Can anyone tell me what the sound differences will be produced if you play with the
horn instead? How about quills and such? If anyone out there has these kinds, maybe they can post a clip where half of the clip is played with a
plastic risha and the other half with horn so that we can hear the differences.
I'd appreciate this very much!
TP21
P.S. I love the fact that we have so many knowledgable people here on the forum. Ronny, not to single you out or anything, but you are an amazing
asset that we have here. Thanks for all the info you have supplied us with, and I look forward for more in the future.
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Zulkarnain
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Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
Ronny! Ronny! Ronny!
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nadir
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hey TP i asked my teacher about the various types of rishas and he said that in general a quill risha is better to have than a horn risha:
1.) the quill does not chip like the horn.
2.) the horn could damage the strings if you get the wrong one.
3.) the sound is better with a quill risha, the horn makes sound a little higher than the string would normally do.
however...
1.) horn rishas produce a CLEARER sound.
2.) quill rishas need to be treated more properly than horn rishas, the quills could be delicate while horns are already hard.
3.) horn rishas are easier to manage, locate & acquire, and have (i.e. not as many laws against horn) than quills.
hope this helps you out! 
- nadir
btw, i also do agree that it is so great that we have knowledgeable people about the oud here!
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TruePharaoh21
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So how is the quill risha to be treated? I mean, how do we maintain it so that it continues to function as it did the way we got it?
TP21
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Ronny Andersson
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>I'm quite inexperienced with the various types of rishas, and I have only held a horn risha once (I >have one in the cabinet right next to
me, but it seems as though if I play it, it will break right in >half). Can anyone tell me what the sound differences will be produced if you play
with the horn >instead? How about quills and such? If anyone out there has these kinds, maybe they can post a >clip where half of the clip is
played with a plastic risha and the other half with horn so that we can >hear the differences.
Is possible to make a horn risha that is very identical an eagle quill. I used such plectra myself when I had problem to find eagle quills. Horn is an
excellent material when it comes of various densities and texture; we have the possibility to obtain plectra that suits different playing styles.
Normally is the horn plectra much wider than the extreme slim eagle risha, but my experiment confirms that with a certain horn quality it’s
possible to copy the special features of the eagle risha. Is impossible to hear any differences between an eagle risha and horn risha if it’s made
by me. I disagree with several of the statements by Nadir, but we all have different experiences!
To play with eagle quill find most oud players much more difficult than any other risha.
The Iraqi method of making a risha is different the Turkish method. Many have heard that is necessary to store the quill in olive oil; this is not
fiction but very true and this differ the Iraqi tradition from the Turkish one. It takes 6 month for the olive oil to penetrate and make the part
inside the ¨ inferior umbilicus and rachis¨ hard. When one makes risha of eagle quill is it the ¨rachis¨part one shall use and not the lower
¨umbilicus¨ part. An eagle risha of the Iraqi method have very well resistant to wear, even on Bashir ouds with high string tension.
Best wishes
Ronny
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nadir
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thanks ronny, its good to see things from another perspective! i wonder though, does it matter what type of olive oil you use?? because there are
hundreds of different types of olive oils...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by nadir
thanks ronny, its good to see things from another perspective! i wonder though, does it matter what type of olive oil you use?? because there are
hundreds of different types of olive oils... |
Ordinary virgin oil will do. The one I uses is almost impossible to get if you don't know a producer. I have tried virgin oil and is working
fine.
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Ronny
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nadir
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do you think that a different oil would affect the risha differently though? (i.e. would there be different effects if i used an olive oil other than
virgin??)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by nadir
do you think that a different oil would affect the risha differently though? (i.e. would there be different effects if i used an olive oil other than
virgin??) |
The only thing would be that the oil doesn't make the risha stiff-hard.
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Ronny
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nadir
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thanks ronny. may you always be able to rock!! 
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Rishas
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thanks ronny. may you always be able to rock!!
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Am I braking the rules by using guitar picks instead of rishas? Thanks.
William F. Sparks
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nadir
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I personally don't think so... but you can play faster with an oud pick for some reason... 
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