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WFBustard
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I really enjoy the concept of this thread. Great graphics, planning and execution.
I was wondering if the Golden Mean idea is to continue into other areas of the design
- such as the neck profile(for example it could be used to determine -
fingerboard radius and neck contour etc). Decoration, peg shape...?
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Ararat66
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Hi Alami
I'm still watching this one - really fascinating. You are a clever and exploratory person - what is your profession when you aren not ouding?
Cheers
Leon
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Multi Kulti
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I was just searching in internet various stuff and i found this one...Alami have you ever seen this instrument? It seems to be a Golden Mean Lavta (it
is called a Nautilavta actually) and i think the result is succesfull ..
the link http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~ederer/misc/instruments/instruments.html (scroll down in the middle of the page)
Nikos
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Peyman
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Those instruments are photoshopped. The idea is based on the Dreadnautilus guitars which used the ratios found in Nautilus shells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus) for the body. It's neat that these natural ratios are aesthetically pleasing to the human eye. I think
Alami's oud will be neat!
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Oud Freak
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Quote: Originally posted by Peyman  | | Those instruments are photoshopped. The idea is based on the Dreadnautilus guitars which used the ratios found in Nautilus shells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautilus) for the body. It's neat that these natural ratios are aesthetically pleasing to the human eye. I think
Alami's oud will be neat! |
It will certainly be neat, the design by ALAMI seems great and Fadi Matta's touch is impeccable with no doubt!
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ALAMI
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WF, The Fibonacci spiral is reflected in the pegbox design,
The Hole size is in a volumic golden mean ratio relative to the volume of the bowl, it resulted in a rather smaller than modern oud hole (10 cm)
the fingerboard and bridge are regular oud design.
Leon, while not ouding, which is most of the time lately, I am involved in the creation of virtual images and visual effects that end on big or small
screen, I have an engineering background (from long ago..)
The Golden mean has long been used in instruments making, this experimental project is an attempt to explore how this ratio can reflect in a oud
design. Aesthetically, I like the design but on the sound side, I believe that no one can predict it before actually making the oud.
Fadi is putting a lot of time and effort in this task.
The mold was corrected to the exact dimensions and the ribs shapes were decided and tested as well as the neck and tail blocks final shapes, They will
be big at start but will be internally trimmed and made thin and light once the bowl done.
the attached photos are 3 weeks old (I was away for a while) and more work-in-progress photos will follow soon.
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msimon
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It's looking great!!!
Congratulations,
MS
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ALAMI
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Finally, the oud is becoming a reality.
It is amazing to see an idea becoming real.
Fadi is doing an amazing work, I'll let the picture talk:
The bowl was the big challenge, small changes were done to the original curvature to accomodate what would wood "accept" to do.
The 21 ribs were all bent dry and fit.
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ALAMI
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The neck block was done from 2 pieces and trimmed thin after
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ALAMI
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The "Fibonacci" pegbox looks very sexy, hope that it wont cause a problem with the string. I think that the backwards curve can create a slight stress
compensation to the the strings tension.
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ALAMI
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From virtual 3D design to real oud,
I just like these pictures so I am posting them, after all we all love oud pictures, don't we ?
[file]10151[/file] [file]10153[/file] [file]10155[/file]
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ALAMI
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and finally a photo of Fadi with the oud, you can imagine how grateful I feel to this fine luthier who's also a kind and modest man.
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jdowning
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Congratulations ALAMI! Fantastic workmanship by Fadi. Very impressive.
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katakofka
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Fantastic ! Please more pictures Alami.
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Yaron Naor
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Fantastic work!
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Peyman
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Off the charts! This is really cool. Can't wait for the end results.
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Andy
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This is SO beautiful, what imagination and to put it into the real thing.
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Dude..way to be patient ! This is too wild. Thanks for the updates and the huge amounts of persistence.
Regards..Paul
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Amazing ALAMI!
Definitely belongs in an oud museum. Together with jdowning's work. Good to see some curious minds and people with enough courage to push the
boundaries
And definitely good to see Ustez Fadi at work!
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oudipoet
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dear alami i ve been fallowing your idea and design since the begining and i am happy to see the results your oud looks very nice in curious if i may
say i can not wait to hear how it s going to sound please keep us inform.
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FastForward
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This has been interesting from the beginning and really happy to see all the progress made.
Mabrook and send us a sound sample one its completely ready.
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msimon
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Wow! I didn't believe it could come out nearly as close to the original CAD as it did. It really is an impressive work of art, and I can't wait to
hear it! Congratulations!
MS
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Ararat66
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Fabulous geometry - can't wait to hear the sound - congratulation to both of you.
Waiting patiently
Leon
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Reda Aouad
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Congratulations Alami! It's a great idea.. and amazing to see that it's being really tested. Well done.
We will be waiting for the final result Fadi's work is perfectly impeccable!
I just want to ask you why is the pegbox designed this way? Almost all the strings will be touching several pegs, which is something usually avoided -
this is why the pegbox is S-shaped.
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ALAMI
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This thread was started almost 2 years ago.
It was a simple, Sunday morning, experimental idea, the one that it is easy to neglect or forget once one is caught again by work and all the things
of life.
But this idea was posted here from the start and on these boards it grew up, was kept alive and transformed by the members' comments, suggestions,
encouragement and help.
Actually, investigating asymetry was triggered by a comment from Leon, the mold was was "copied" from John who gave me a lot of invaluable advice on
board and off board, thanks John.
The project stopped for a while after I found the mold errors, I nearly gave up.
But every now and then someone popped the thread back and I was motivated again.
In this project, the community was the key to perseverance.
The sound is of course the ultimate quest and a total mystery.
Beautiful geometry does not necessarily lead to beautiful sound.
The shell shape is common in nature and it has the magic of reproducing the sound of the sea.
we'll see.
Regarding the pegbox shape, I couldn't resist the spiral, it just looks right, we'll see how inconvenient, or not, it'll be.
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