veyselmaster
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George Nahad 1905 special oud
Hello Frends
I bought George Nahad 1905 today roses ivory and one of the small ros fall in the oud.so full original and pegs box have near ivor inlay and saund
great .I send Nahads oud pictures
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veyselmaster
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George Nahad body
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veyselmaster
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veyselmaster
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veyselmaster
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George Nahad label
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Another amazing find, Veysel. You and your father, Dr. Cengiz must have the best collection of antique ouds in the world. Inshallah, I will be
visiting Istanbul in June and would love to see your display.
Thanks for sharing these pictures of this great old instrument.
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Greg
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"Offre au public tous les travaux en meubles perfectionnes a des prix reduits, en consideration de la bonte et de la SOLIDITE du travail et a l'essai
on sera convaincu". Totally true ! This peice is solid indeed. Since 1905 and still in shape
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Awesome. Thanks very much for posting this. What a piece of history and artwork. The Concepta's older brother. Abdo was the king of oudmakers. Now why
can't I come across one like this!! 
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Wow wow wow....that is one beauty of an oud. I wonder how many more Nahats are out there awaiting to be discovered. Thanks for the picturres
veyselmaster....
Jameel...
It's ok...you can always make one  . But I know what you mean.
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Faladel
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dear Mr veyselmaster:
The date of this label is 7 March 1918
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Hello faladel my father read this oud label it's date 7march 1918 .
thank you faladel 
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Hello jameel I'm looking your's working and made oud's .you are making very nice oud and inlay .would you make same abdul nahad oud
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Hello Greg
Thank you very much foryour appraise if you will came to be istanbul .
I will be wait and you visitor to me.you can see our collection.and other's instrument.
best wishes
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| Quote: | Originally posted by veyselmaster
Hello jameel I'm looking your's working and made oud's .you are making very nice oud and inlay .would you make same abdul nahad oud
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Want to trade?
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veyselmaster
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No trade jameel I says to you george nahad make oud style .
because you make very nice oud
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For my information veyselmaster what is the approximate thickness of the rosette? The superb workmanship of the rosette is just incredible.
Thanks for sharing
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| Quote: | Originally posted by veyselmaster
No trade jameel I says to you george nahad make oud style .
because you make very nice oud
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Thank you! I'm glad you are taking care of these wonderful ouds.
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veyselmaster
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Dear Jdowning
The rosettes are made of ivory .The thickness is more or less 3 milimetres.The midell of the rosette is the name Abdo Nahad, around there are the
names of different makams.
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Thank you veyselmaster. Although ivory allows the carving of fine detail, the delicate tracery of the rosette is nothing short of astonishing
workmanship and design. It is surprising (and fortunate) also that the rosette has survived for a century without significant damage. Hopefully the
oud will be preserved for another century for future generations to admire and study.
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Jameel
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John,
This is actually a simpler design for the Nahats. Executed flawlessly of course. The most incredible shamsa produced by the Nahats must be the one
from Hamza El Din's 1930 Abdo Nahat. See below. You can read more about this incredible oud here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=1092#pid723...
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Thanks Jameel. It is humbling to witness such fine craftsmanship - but a standard to aim for (even if unachievable for most mortals). The image that
you post seems to be about twice full size making the detailed work even more incredible to contemplate.
Are there any tool marks in evidence on the shamsa to indicate how the design was executed - fine saw marks, file marks or knife marks or a
combination? I imagine that a tool more rigid and precise than a handsaw or file held and used freehand must have been employed to avoid inevitable
breakages of the delicate filigrees during the course of the work? Perhaps a simple foot operated type of jewellers scroll saw or filing machine where
the work is firmly supported on a table and guided about a vertical, oscillating blade or file held in a frame? I wonder how long it took to complete?
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incredible, first time i can contemplate in high definition this wonderful shamsa... what a wonder.
can u jameel, if u have the info, tell us more about what jdowning is asking about? the method of fabrication?
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Both these shams are amazing from the craftmanship point of view. But I was wondering if someone with a better grasp of arabic and music theory than
me can explain what their structure means. Both seem to divide the maqamat into four groups but I can't understand what these groups are. The really
ornate one posted by Jameel also seems to have a further 14 subdivisions. What's the basis of this? And does anyone know why Abdo decided in
particular to go for 48 maqamat in total. Is this number significant in any way?
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I'm using a good quality scroll saw (Dewalt, but there are better saws) and jeweler's blades run at almost the slowest rpm. This setup is capable of
extremely fine work. I think it's capable of cutting the Abdo maqamat rose, along with some skill. I think Abdo probably just used a jeweler's saw. I
don't think I file would be much use in such cramped spaces. See the pic, this is an area where you can see the width of the saw kerf only. Cutting
this with a typical jeweler's saw is completely doable. It just takes practice to get the feel for how to use the saw. A beginner will break lots of
blades and even the work itself, but in time, extremely fine work can be accomplished. It is after all a jeweler's saw, used for cutting very fine
filigree on tiny objects like, well, jewelery.
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What I had in mind was a treadle operated saw - essentially a jeweller's saw modified to be guided in bearings with a return spring - so that exact
vertical movement of the saw can be maintained and blade speed infinitely and precisely controlled (as slow as you wish) - the work being supported at
all times on the saw table. A saw of this kind can be easily and cheaply made and - of course - does not require a source of electrical power. I have
not made one (yet) but I imagine that fitted with the finest 4/0 blade (0.008" kerf) it would be up to the task in the right hands.
An article on how to make and operate such a saw can be found in Fine Woodworking magazine #27 March/April 1981 entitled.
"A Jigsaw for Cutting Delicate Stock" by luthier Ken Parker of New York City who uses the saw for cutting pearl inlay for arch top guitars.
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