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ALAMI
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Old Tunisian oud
His name is Sheikh Khomais Tarnan from Tunisia.
I just love this picture and look at this oud !
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Amer
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Thanks for sharing this ALALAMI,
I'm no expert on oud construction but it looks like the neck was well taken care of.. Who ever made it clearly wanted to make it easy and comfortable
to play
Any information about the date/history of that player or his oud?
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ALAMI
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He was born in 1890 and died in 1964 and was considered one of the greatest tunisian musicians of the 20th century.
He collaborated with Baron Rodolphe D'erlanger in the Arab Andalusian section of "La Musique Arababe".
He used fretted tunisian ouds but in the photo it is not clear if frets are tied on the neck or not.
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ALAMI
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Full informations on the subject on this thread:
http://www.arabicouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=2961#pid1...
I really miss our friend Al Halabi, his deep knowledge and his generosity..... hope he is doing well
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jdowning
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Thanks for the link to the informative thread about oud fretting ALAMI. There seems to be a lot of good stuff like this that late comers to the forum
like myself can easily overlook.
Interesting that the oud does not seem to have edge banding but has what looks like a leather protective strip around the lower part of the soundboard
edge?
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Masel
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I agree alami I hope he is well too but we are also thankful to have you share your immense knowledge as well.
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Rico
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That is just incredible: I was looking for some time now about informations on that kind of lute. I recently found one VERY similar (if not exact the
same) on local second hand market and I always thought that it must be an old oud. I have some picture of it if some of you is interested. The
decorations on the back of the neck are just amazing (with bones parts). I am now trying to clean it and put some new strings on it,...and see how it
sounds :-). It has no frets and the construction is very solid.
Does this kind of oud have a specific name or a specific origin? I would love to know more about it. There are no labels or name on/in it. Regards
Rico
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ALAMI
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Thanks Masel, we are all still learning.
Rico I'd love to see some pictures of your find, the origin is probably North Africa, according to the above thread-link the common name is "oud
arbi".
Be carful when stringing it, I suggest to tune at minimum playable tension and watch closely for the impact the days after : neck, bridge and cracks,
if you see any change. loosen the strings immediately.
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zalzal
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The tuning of oud arbi is a very special.
Our friend co-forumite David Parfitt advises as follows on his site:
"....a feature of these tunings is that they juxtapose the traditional 4ths with the octave and sometimes the 5th and 6th (D-d-G-c)...
http://www.oud.eclipse.co.uk/history.html
For scientifical full infos pls look this fantastic blog.
http://diapasondeskikda.blogspot.com/
By Mouats Hafid
And also
http://elanasser.over-blog.fr/4-index.html
Well they are both in french.
And You have to scroll down a lot to find diagrams, music scales and tunings, photos etc etc.
Do not hesitate to precipitate yourselves to find music by Cheikh Salim Ferghani, fm Constantine, Algeria...(of course tahya Al Djazair!!)
He plays the oud arbi and sing and you simply "die" listening to him.
For example, in this page choose singer Cheikh Salim Ferghani and you will be directed to a page where to listen at his music.
http://www.algeriacolor.com/Chanteurs.htm
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Rico
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Hi Alami, thanks for the informations....and thanks to everyone also :-). Here some pictures:
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Jason
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wow that looks incredible Rico
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jdowning
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Nice instrument Rico. Could you describe the carving of the carved 'head' of the pegbox in more detail - does it represent the head of an animal
(lion?) or a human? Could you provide another detailed image of the carving? Also a 'full frontal' image the oud would be of interest.
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Rico
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ALAMI
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Wow, that's a find Rico,
It seems all original and almost identical to the master's oud.
The lion's head is done by the hand of a master, very nice.
I really think it deserves a good restoration or at least the opinion of an expert.
May be you can show it to maitre luthier Luc Breton, if my memory is good, he is in a village near Morges dans le canton de Vaud.
He is an oud expert (among other things) and would love to give a look to an old instrument.
John, Bien vu ! according to Zalzal link "le diapason de Skida" it is leather.
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Peyman
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What an oud! Nice find. It seems like the 4 course is more popular in North Africa. I used to watch a music program based in Morroco where the very
talented singer played a 4 course.
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Jameel
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Nice! The lion's head is great. Thanks for sharing.
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Rico
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I will try to get in touch with http://www.serge-rinsoz.ch/en/index.html and see what's his impressions. I think that the soundboard needs to be replaced: there are many cracks
on it (they are not completely open). I am just wandering why the bridge (pegs side) is so high: this make the action a little high.
I am also wandering where to find strings for it....and the right tuning. Anyway, I will first check if it needs some big restauration done.
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zalzal
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We did not find yet old vids of Nahat playing his ouds.....but we have a vid of Cheikh Raymond playing oud arbi
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=SHtO_90gRO0
Fantastic vid
And Cheikh Mohammed Tahar Ferghani
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=gRzoMdQ1ks4
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jdowning
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Thanks for posting the images of the lion's head Rico. This is a similar feature often found on the peg boxes of European bowed instruments (Viols,
violins) of the 17th C. Alternatively, the pegbox on the oud image posted by ALAMI seems to have a scroll similar to those found on many violins.
Another interesting feature of the instrument is the relatively wide string spacing at the nut (for an oud). Could you provide the total measurement
across the four courses - for information?
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jdowning
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Thanks for posting the video links zalzal.
I particularly enjoyed the Sheik Raymond Leyris orchestra. A wonderful, balanced, sensitive interaction between the musicians. Was the, "soul
searching", song traditional? It sounded (from the French subtitles) as if it was.
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Jameel
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zalzal
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And we have also a partial recording of Khemais Tarnan himself available at internet: Ya zahratan
http://www.muspe.unibo.it/period/MA/index/number7/davis/track03.mp3...
Jdowning yr question is the question. Is Cheikh Raymond singing traditionally??.
The araboandalous music is a whole musical corpus, as complex and fabulous as could be occidental music, or oriental music.
Furthermore many of the lyrics of the malouf are very complex and ancient classical arabic poems.
Shaykh Raymond sang this very ancient poems in a way that touched all publics to the point that his concerts were a collective "tarab".
It seems that some of his late concerts were televised, and when this happened the streets of either arab or jewish borroughs of Constantine were
empty, as all people wanted to enjoy the music.
May be you can find some answers with Taoufic Bestandji, an algerien musician and scholar working in Marseille
http://taoufikmalouf.free.fr/
By the way Taoufic Bestandji can be a person to contact for getting advise on the oud arbi of Rico
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Matthias
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Rico
I will try to get in touch with http://www.serge-rinsoz.ch/en/index.html and see what's his impressions. I think that the soundboard needs to be replaced: there are many cracks
on it (they are not completely open). I am just wandering why the bridge (pegs side) is so high: this make the action a little high.
I am also wandering where to find strings for it....and the right tuning. Anyway, I will first check if it needs some big restauration done.
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Hello rico,
that is really an interesting instrument and I would be interested to see it and if you like you are invited to visit me in my workshop. I'm in
germany, 45 north from Basel and I make the aoud. Where are you living in switzerland?
May be you can combine your vistit to me in comming to a aoud concert which I have organized:
26th october, 11:15 in my town: Raed Koshaba, aoud solo recital.
Around this concert I will show 3 - 4 models I've made and probably Raed will play in the concert on the "copy" I made of his Mohammed Fadel model.
And this invitation goes to all other readers. If there are interests near by, please make your ticket reservation under ++49 7632 82 32 40 (
CafeArtig ) http://www.kunstPalais-badenweiler.de
On my website you will find more informations about Raed and the concert at 26th.
best regards
Matthias
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