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John, I can understand your feeling disconnectd with your faith. I have shifted my "faith" from more organized religious rituals to more personal and
spirutual ones involving music and particulary playing my oud. I think that God or Allah or whomever we see God as, meant religious rituals for
people who do not have music to connect to Him with. We are the privelaged ones, the true "chosen people"...the musicians. David is one of my
favorite Biblical characters because he used music to communicate with God, he calmed the troubled soul of Saul who was going insane. While at the
Montreal Arabic music festival I heard the most amazing concert called "Music in the land of Mamonides" featuring a muezzin chanting from the Koran
and a chazan singing Sefardi songs of Shabbat and other Jewish rituals. Music transcends all of our politics, misunderstandings and hatreds of "the
other". This forum is a great example of how all of us from different backgrounds and countries that in the "real world' may be considered enemies of
each other are coming together over music and the oud, one of the most ancient of musical instruments. All of us are the true peace makers and true
communicators with God. I have come to love and understand my Arab cousins through the beauty of their music and culture and have truly been
transformed by the music on a very deep level.
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Donjis3
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I'm looking as it is, for (title)to find a book of mine into which are discribe the basic différences between thy occidental and oriental music.
they say that the key scales ,ragas..are being play in indus music from top of the key(scale) to bottom notes...and to thy occidental side it's being
play from bottom to top...the reason for it as they ....explain in the book ,,,it's because in oriental music the spirit through praticing for long
périod decend into thy player that is by doing so opening itself for spiritual manifestations...While in thy occidental music it is being play into
ascending key (mélodie) like in Grégorians chants for example because through it peoples could élevate their states of consciousness  !It is said to that in the past, occidentals churchs had some kind of a
vito... on music expressions because peoples could then get in touch with unwanted states of consciousnes.. seems it was so in that era...Even
classical maestros bettoven etc had to have the support of the kings and others for to be able to expand their créativities ...It's in this book (if
ever i can find it)that I first start to understand thy microtons réality and potientiality ...Gratitude,Don!
Please forgive my english i'm a french speakin person from near Montréal ,Québec ,Canada!Baraka bashad!
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frao
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Donjis3: yep, indeed, some musical intervals were forbidden and some were permitted in official European Christian music of the early middle ages. I'm
saying official because besides that there have always been other types of Christian music and the later genres of Christian Classical music have
developed out out them. if you would listen to early Christian psalmodies and hymns, you would notice that they sing it only in unison, 4ths and 5ths.
These three intervals were said to be pure (well, they kinda sound pure, even too pure at times). While 3rds and 6ths were thought to bring up certain
sinful emotions, sensuality, eroticism, etc. And of course, 2nds and 7ths were condemned as infernal intervals. I have my own theory that, as it
happened quite often in history, the acceptance of 3rds and 6ths as well as 2nds and 7ths was brought by mystical traditions of Christianity. However,
with some exceptions (such as Georgian sacred music), I quite often regard Christian music as rather weak in comparison to Eastern music, after maqams
and the microtones have been revealed to me. After admiring Schoenberg (the guy who "invented" atonal, twelve-tone music) and Sims (another guy who
went as far as practicing microtonalism as some kind of European musical illumination), reasonably and sensually used microtones in Eastern and North
African music seem to reveal a totally different universe. It's like a feeling that instead of craving for a different movie one should crave for a
different reality. I'm sure that European music (including Christian music) had it's own wonderful system of microtones but was put to death by it's
'purity' gimmick. Well, it's my hypothesis. Not to start a political debate here.
up for Diogenian cynic naivette!
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Donjis3
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Hello Frao !I could not remember the spécifique ones and theirs why's so thanks for being that précise ...Dont know about the ouds yet...but on
guitars there are somes notes that naturally pops out in a moore louder way and we have to restrain picking force used over when hitting them..there
might be a link... thanks to Rebostar and Charlie for the tip.as well
...Gratitude,Don!
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Donjis3
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Ok ! I just remember ....As far and deep as I could recall ...My first feelings for arabic music is when back then i first eard the coran verses
being sing in towers...Y,tablas es!that's what got me connected...it did the sames long gone past awakening recalls .as hindous fiddle and,,,cithare
did the same as when I eard church bells...
that's it! ,Don!
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Donjis3
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Sorry about this...!
(.Y,tablas es!that's what got me connected.)???Should be read :yes!That what got me connected...
(hindous fiddle and,,,cithare)????should be read as:hindous fiddle ,tablas and cithares!
my computer is tricking me!!!,Don!
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Donjis3
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Me again ! thinking of it ! Is there someone who can tell me if koranic verses
chants are using same maquams as in popular music or if they are using spécifics ones?Gratitude,Don!
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