Amer
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Tell me about the violin and qanun..
I just got a starter violin as a gift from a dear friend of mine.. 
I'm absolutely hooked on it, and I think I need to educate myself a little bit about them as I'm planning to get a better one within a few months (
the oud is still my love ).. Who makes good violins? I think I want something that is well made and doesn't cost too much -but better than the starter
kit violin I have now-...
I'm also planning on buying a friend a qanun..
Who makes good qanuns? maybe a qanun of the quality of shehata ouds? 
I'm sure I sound "lost" to you as I literally know nothing about these two lovely instruments.. 
Your input is much appreciated!
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Masel
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Its funny I really want to start learning another instrument and I'm torn between violin and qanun. I've started the violin before, it's very
difficult to hold the bow steady and g et a good sound.
I don't know much about makers but you should at least tell us what country you live in, because there are many people here than can help.
good luck!
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hama
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Hi Amer
My Daughter plays Violin, I bought a good Violin by this Maker through one of the local dealers in the uk
http://www.hofner.com/siab/en/phpshop/89/page,shop.category/flypage...
Great sound and quality, very reasonable price
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Hama
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michoud
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Hi!
One year and half ago my brother tried to learn qanun...but after few months he stopped, because he had not enough time to practise. He has an old
and very very good qanun from Aleppo ans he wants to shell it
If you are interested I can send you some photos of this qanun, and soundfile, with the man who was the teacher of my brother playing this instrument.
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Amer
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Masel: I'm sure many of us would love to master more than one instrument.. I travel between the US and the middle east quite often, I'm sure all
reputable makers ship world wide so this won't be a problem! I just need to get a violin for myself and a qanun for someone special 
Hama: Thanks for posting that link, I now have an idea of what I should get for myself.. I think I will still spend some time reading around and
testing some violins my friends have until I'm sure of what I want to get..
Michoud: I sent you a U2U
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After a little searching online, I found out that there are PLENTY of violin makers all over the world.. But I still need to educate myself a little
more about these instrument and their makers until I develop a solid idea of what I really should get as a "student's" violin..
On the other hand, qanun makers are very hard to find.. maybe due to the fact that qanun players are very few compared to other popular
instruments..
Googling qanun related keywords gave me some results of qanun makers' names..
- " Rabea Salah" a.k.a "Rabea Al-Sageer", Egyptian?, (still produces qanuns)
- "Ali Sabsaby", Syrian, (still produces)
- "Rabea Sharaf" a.k.a "Rabea Al-Kabeer", Egyptian? (doesn't make qanuns any more)
The only
- "Al-Farabi" Syrian maker brand name.. website: http://www.kanounmusic.com
I'd really appreciate any information about Egyptian qanun makers, ESPECIALLY "Rabea Salah"..
Thanks!
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Masel
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like i said i don't know about qanun makers but the accepted idea seems to be that the turkish are very good at it (not all of course). i know of a
qanun player here in israel that has a turkish kanun (with the extra mandals and all) built to sound like an arabic qanun, which is what i would buy
for sure because i prefer the sound of arabic qanuns and the versatility of the turkish. the only problem is i think it costs around 4000$....
all i can say about violins is that like any wooden instrument (but violins especially) they sound better when they have already been played so maybe
buying a second hand violin could be a better option for you. cheaper also, maybe not..
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Amer
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Hi Masel 
I think $4000 is a little too much for me
Do you know any turkish qanun makers who produce "Arabic Qanuns" ?
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Masel
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no, but it might be a custom job which would also explain the price
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michoud
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Hi all
Amer check you mail
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Kelly
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Hi Amer
Re violins: my experience as a player is that you need to try as many as possible. I would agree with Masel that quality violins usually improve over
the years so go for second hand if you can. Sound preference is a very personal thing and varies with violins even more than ouds I find. There are
however, still some good Chinese hand made instruments which you can pick up for approx £300-400. try Hobgoblin music here in UK. I've not tried the
Hofner link which Hama posted but they may be good also.
Getting good tone and pleasing sound can take some time and you need to be patient as your technique and especially bowing becomes established-there
are no short cuts I'm afraid only practice! If you're enjoying playing then you are halfway there already.
Hope this helps
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Kelly
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suz_i_dil
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Hi
I was offered a good kanun in a shop of Mohammed Ali street in Cairo, 3 years ago.
I don't know much about this instrument, but I am pretty sure it was really a good instrument, at least by the craftmanship comparing to others kanun
they were proposing.
At this time it was around 500 euros ( 3500 or 4500 guineh, I don't remember exactly), without bargaining, as I were abolutely not interesting in
buying, just curious. So maybe it worth affording a trip there if you can, regarding to the prices you may be offered in Europa or America.
As usual, if you don't show too directly you are seeking for a kanun, you may find a good occasion there.
Hope this help.
Good luck.
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