eastmountain
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experimental oud designs
Is anyone aware of experimental shapes for ouds, something apart from the traditional bowl? I was wondering about a "cutaway" at the lower edge that
your right leg might fit in sitting position, to steady the oud.
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katakofka
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it would be worth trying
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OudandTabla
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Is a good idea; you could start with a flat-back prototype- that would be no problem of construction. To build a bowl, and then do a cutout would also
be fairly straightforward; you'd simply need to be very precise as you cut into the bowl for the cutout.
Can you provide a sketch of your idea?
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These features are regularly found on the ouds of master Saad Al-Tayyar. The following pictures are of ouds made by him.
Enjoy the eye candy 
Samir
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more pictures
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another
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last one
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katakofka
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I guess he is talking about that design
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eastmountain
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leg cutaway
Yeah, that was the idea basically. There are some guitars (electric mostly) that have pursued this ergonomic idea. Here is one that is similar to
what I was thinking.
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Luttgutt
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Hi samir!
You keep on teesing us with these nice Tayyar Ouds 
But no sound files, no e-mail adress, no telephone number...
Like beautiful gosts.
We have a word for this in norweegian:
HULDER ouds  
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rojaros
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I feel there are certain classical forms that are not an empty esthetics but really an expression of a long development and refinement - not only with
ouds but also with other instruments.
Of course anything can mutate into anything, but I don't think it's necessary or desirable. Already the little cut aways on the ouds presented above
kind of disturbe the clarity of form.
Also the little resistances that come from the specific problems with an instrument have an invaluabe side of raising above them through developing
refined techniques of overcoming them.
As far as posture issues are concerned, see http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024 - it might be a solution without having to change the form of the oud. BTW, this
change would bring new problems, because the oud would lie more stable on the leg, but it would be even deeper than it alread is, so it would need an
even higher support. That would be replacing one suffering for another 
best wishes
Robert
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Reda Aouad
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Although the Tayyar ouds are very beautiful, but I dont find any need for cutting away such parts from the oud. I agree with Robert.. it is
unnecessary since it can be remedied by adopting different approaches. Personally I find the footstool very comfortable for example.
Besides, the oud is one of the very few instruments you "hug". So if in this position you dont find stability then you may reconsider how you hold it.
In my opinion, cutting away a part of the oud to fit it on your leg would create more stability and posture problems.. sometimes you hold the oud
slightly different - more to the right, more to the left while playing a single piece.. and that will prevent the freedom in moving your oud between
your arms.
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paulO
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Check out the previous thread:
http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=6543#pid509... on a Golden Mean Oud.
Cordially...PaulO
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eastmountain
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cutaway or not
I guess this could be an answer to the problem:
http://mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024
I understand the devotion to a design aesthetic that has been around for three or four millenia, but I don't see anything wrong with experimenting.
If it proves a useful innovation for someone, fine. If not, then there is still the original archetype.
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rojaros
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I fully agree that there is nothong wrong with openness and experimentation. But if we really want experimentation, I'd rather prefer oud builder to
reconsider the acoustical principles and ask themselves how the oud can be taken further into its own sound (to speak metaphorically) - I mean to grow
to its full potential in terms of sound, playability and tonal strech (range). I think there is plenty of room for improvement without altering the
shape strongly.
Partly it already happens (see the efforts of Master Faruk Turunz and others).
This creativity could express itself also if makers would stop to just copying the exteral form (shape) of old ouds and actualize the principles that
have led to those great instruments and their sound instead ...
Best wishes
R.
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I guess this could be an answer to the problem:
http://mikeouds.com/messageboard/viewthread.php?tid=9024
I understand the devotion to a design aesthetic that has been around for three or four millenia, but I don't see anything wrong with experimenting.
If it proves a useful innovation for someone, fine. If not, then there is still the original archetype. |
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